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by Giuseppe
Mon Mar 25, 2024 9:42 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Further evidence that Ignatius faced old deniers of the historicity of Jesus
Replies: 62
Views: 825

Re: Further evidence that Ignatius faced old deniers of the historicity of Jesus

Status of the discussion: Chrissy Hansen has failed to prove that for the opponents of Ignatius the archives are only Old Testament and not also prophane chronicles, ignoring that in the 99.9999% of the cases "archives" means public memories . Peter Kirby has failed to prove that Reinach h...
by Giuseppe
Mon Mar 25, 2024 1:06 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Further evidence that Ignatius faced old deniers of the historicity of Jesus
Replies: 62
Views: 825

Re: Further evidence that Ignatius faced old deniers of the historicity of Jesus

Do you think that the archives are not the "Old Testament" but the Jewish scriptures ? No. Here you have fallen into the same error as Reinach of misrepresenting what you're reading. in whiletime you have not answered to my question: please show an example of a holy Jewish book that doesn...
by Giuseppe
Mon Mar 25, 2024 1:00 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Further evidence that Ignatius faced old deniers of the historicity of Jesus
Replies: 62
Views: 825

Re: Further evidence that Ignatius faced old deniers of the historicity of Jesus

In response to your last comment to me: No that is not what I said. It is always evident that you are grasping at straws when you don't bother representing what we say correctly and go on wild tangents. And your second paragraph is incomprehensible. what would be incomprehensible? My claim that onl...
by Giuseppe
Mon Mar 25, 2024 12:47 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Further evidence that Ignatius faced old deniers of the historicity of Jesus
Replies: 62
Views: 825

Re: Further evidence that Ignatius faced old deniers of the historicity of Jesus

Do you think that the archives are not the "Old Testament" but the Jewish scriptures ? No. Here you have fallen into the same error as Reinach of misrepresenting what you're reading. in whiletime you have not answered to my question: please show an example of a holy Jewish book that doesn...
by Giuseppe
Mon Mar 25, 2024 12:45 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Further evidence that Ignatius faced old deniers of the historicity of Jesus
Replies: 62
Views: 825

Re: Further evidence that Ignatius faced old deniers of the historicity of Jesus

, I love that you keep dancing around that the Latin translation of this passage, translaves "archives" as "scriptures." It basically makes your case moot so, according to your logic, the book titled "Antiquities" of Josephus includes only Jewish holy scriptures and no...
by Giuseppe
Mon Mar 25, 2024 12:35 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Further evidence that Ignatius faced old deniers of the historicity of Jesus
Replies: 62
Views: 825

Re: Further evidence that Ignatius faced old deniers of the historicity of Jesus

Yet we have already seen from Schoedel (who wrote later) and Lightfoot (who wrote before Reinach) that they do not believe that the phrase "τὰ ἀρχεῖα" was an equivalent in Greek to “the Old Testament,” παλαιὰ διαθήκη. which is the typical fallacy of the distinction without a real differen...
by Giuseppe
Mon Mar 25, 2024 10:53 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Further evidence that Ignatius faced old deniers of the historicity of Jesus
Replies: 62
Views: 825

Re: Further evidence that Ignatius faced old deniers of the historicity of Jesus

No, I don't close my shop, I make it even more great, by mentioning directly Reinach in another article where he proves that the opponents were anti-Christians: IGNATIUS, BISHOP OF ANTIOCH, AND THE APXEIA by S. Reinach Tapakara δὲ ὑμᾶς, μηδὲν kar ἐρίθειαν πράσσετε ἀλλὰ κατὰ χριστομαθίαν. ἐπεὶ ἠκουσά...
by Giuseppe
Mon Mar 25, 2024 10:34 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Further evidence that Ignatius faced old deniers of the historicity of Jesus
Replies: 62
Views: 825

Re: Further evidence that Ignatius faced old deniers of the historicity of Jesus

Note that the essential has been already said by Salomon Reinach in the his own concise terms: No one will ever make me believe that “the archives” simply mean “the Old Testament”; other examples are needed; there is not a shadow of it. Well said. I may say the same: with all the her best intentions...
by Giuseppe
Mon Mar 25, 2024 10:23 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Further evidence that Ignatius faced old deniers of the historicity of Jesus
Replies: 62
Views: 825

Re: Further evidence that Ignatius faced old deniers of the historicity of Jesus

A) the fact that Ignatius refers to scriptures (by answering 'it is written') doesn't affect minimally on the content of the 'archives' referred by the his enemies. At contrary, there is even the concrete possibility that the 'archives' (of the accusation) are not the same scriptures meant by Ignat...
by Giuseppe
Mon Mar 25, 2024 9:16 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Further evidence that Ignatius faced old deniers of the historicity of Jesus
Replies: 62
Views: 825

Re: Further evidence that Ignatius faced old deniers of the historicity of Jesus

Even if I conceded your position that these are "anti-Christians" I would just argue they are Jewish anti-Christians, arguing from scripture . There is absolutely nothing to indicate any differently. In yellow your error. DCH has made it clear, that the archives for the vast majority of t...