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I may be quite wrong, but I wonder whether you are confusing Clement of Rome (to whom much spurious material has indeed been attributed) with Clement of Alexandria. Andrew Criddle Hi Andrew, according to what I have seen there are masses of material which is attributed to Clemet of Alexandria, but ...

It is IMO unlikely that the crucified criminals would have been seen as acting out of ignorance. On the other hand Paul in 1 Corinthians regards the executioners of Jesus as acting in ignorance None of the rulers of this age understood this, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of...

I may need to recheck the two 1973 books, not at hand, to see if there is evidence that Smith showed* the whole text to all those scholars. But I can say that Smith, in his HTR "The Score" article, misrepresented at least one scholar, Edward C. Hobbs, by listing him among scholars who sup...

From the specific comments on particular passages made by named scholars quoted in CA and a SGM it seems clear that Morton Smith did show the whole text of the Mar Saba letter to other scholars for comment as part of his preparation for writing his book on Secret Mark. Morton Smith made a formal pub...

This thread has caused me to reread Tselikas' report. Everything that follows is IMVHO. The report does seem to establish that although the handwriting is in one sense an 18th century Greek cursive, the scribe is not writing cursive because this is how they learnt to write rapidly and legibly. Inste...

Why would either reading greatly change the overall facts? In other words, has the significance been, somewhere, exaggerated? I don't know where Peter was going with the plural reading, but it *could* be taken as referring to the Carpocratian love feast described by Clement in Stromateis 3.2.9: The...

SaosSidirountios, you declared that much of the widely-accepted text of Clement is, in fact, not by Clement. Without an example, your claim can not be assessed. Dear Stephen, what I am trying to say is that there is a massive corpus of works which suppose to have been written by Clement, but not en...

I agree that 'Clement' does not expressly claim that the text of the Carpocratian version of Secret Mark was explicitly sexual. However it seems clear that that is how the Carpocratians are represented as interpreting it.

Andrew Criddle

Could you translate the full sentence and then explain it? Τὸ δὲ γυμνοὶ γυμνῷ καὶ τἆλλα περὶ ὧν ἔγραψας οὐκ εὑρίσκεται. I would understand it as: 'But the naked men with naked man and the other things about which you wrote are not found.' I take the two words γυμνοὶ γυμνῷ to be what Theodore wrote ...

I'm not entirely sure why γυμνοί is being taken to imply a heterosexual reference, it is a masculine plural, γυμναί would be the feminine plural. Obviously it might have a heterosexual reference but not necessarily.

Andrew Criddle