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- Wed Apr 17, 2024 7:42 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Were Marcionites keepers of the original Christian faith?
- Replies: 19
- Views: 929
Re: Were Marcionites keepers of the original Christian faith?
I think earliest belief was a mythological Jesus per Paul's original letters, as explained by Richard Carrier's Jesus from Outer Space. Seems to be the general tenor of the responses. A sign of the times that Marcionites-first is rejected not because of mainstream scholarship, but because it isn't ...
- Wed Apr 17, 2024 7:18 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: The Antitheses and the origin of Luke
- Replies: 46
- Views: 1655
Re: The Antitheses and the origin of Luke
If Luke (in "canonical form") was written pre-130, then Marcion probably did know about Luke and Acts. If Luke was still written recently enough in the second century, Marcion could have known that. A conclusion that Luke ripped off the gospel with "interpolations" didn't really...
- Tue Apr 16, 2024 3:56 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: John comes FROM Acts...
- Replies: 1
- Views: 285
Re: John comes FROM Acts...
But here is the kicker, I think what we have here is temporal dislocation. Maybe impossible to prove, but I suspect that in Act of the Apostle , it did say, “John baptized with the baptism of repentance, telling the people to believe in the one who was to come after him , that is, in Jesus.” But thi...
- Tue Apr 16, 2024 3:13 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: John comes FROM Acts...
- Replies: 1
- Views: 285
John comes FROM Acts...
So, you may know that my theory is that actually a version of Acts, what I would call Acts of the Apostle , was written BEFORE any Gospel was written. This story was a companion piece to the Pauline letters and was only about Paul, beginning with his persecutions and his conversion. And the "Go...
- Tue Apr 16, 2024 2:39 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: The Antitheses and the origin of Luke
- Replies: 46
- Views: 1655
Re: The Antitheses and the origin of Luke
What I've long thought to be the case, and maybe I've been wrong, was that the relationship between Marcion and Luke was surmised based on comparison. Nothing in the works of Marcion stated explicitly that he knew anything about Luke or that there was any relationship between his Gospel and Luke. My...
- Tue Apr 16, 2024 12:31 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Were Marcionites keepers of the original Christian faith?
- Replies: 19
- Views: 929
Re: Were Marcionites keepers of the original Christian faith?
I think Paul's genuine epistles were the first Christian writings except the genuine epistles constantly claim and confirm (affirm) they are not the first or original membership of the group in question how can you say they are genuine and not also accept their claim that they are not the start of ...
- Mon Apr 08, 2024 1:17 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Against Polycarp
- Replies: 12
- Views: 391
Re: Against Polycarp
I cited Watson. And it is common knowledge. https://books.google.com/books?id=23NyCgAAQBAJ&pg=PA458&lpg=PA458&dq=%E2%80%9CIrenaeus+constructs+a+fourfold+gospel+out+of+passages+in+Papias+which+intend+no+such+thing.%E2%80%9D%5B&source=bl&ots=51LYG8_zHP&sig=ACfU3U3TsqutOc0CbPW6...
- Mon Apr 08, 2024 1:01 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Against Polycarp
- Replies: 12
- Views: 391
Re: Against Polycarp
SA is the one making unsupported claims here: Irenaeus's rationale for the specific timing of Mark's Gospel being transmitted in Rome may be attributed to Papias's suggestion that Matthew wrote his account as an amendment to Mark's narrative. Irenaeus was undoubtedly cognizant of Papias's remarks ab...
- Mon Apr 08, 2024 12:57 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: My recreation of the opening of the First Gospel
- Replies: 53
- Views: 2675
Re: My recreation of the opening of the First Gospel
If I get this right, you, rgprice, have written that Mark was a genius but that Matthew and Luke totally misunderstood his supposed-by-you fiction and then added to it mistakenly from other sources as if not fiction, and that Mark was originally shorter except when it was originally longer. Partly ...
- Mon Apr 08, 2024 12:46 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Is BeDuhn right? Are patristic scholars terrified that almost all patristic manuscripts are medieval and later?
- Replies: 5
- Views: 320
Re: Is BeDuhn right? Are patristic scholars terrified that almost all patristic manuscripts are medieval and later?
I'm not entirely sure all of them are smart enough to be terrified, but they should be. I do think that there are a lot of Christian scholars who are true believers and think that by digging into all of this, that the claims of Christianity will all be vindicated. Surely that has been true for the p...