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by Giuseppe
Wed May 27, 2015 10:28 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: About a messianic prophecy from the Sibylline Oracles. . .
Replies: 55
Views: 39744

Re: About a messianic prophecy from the Sibylline Oracles. .

Thanks Secret Alias for all these info (you will write a book about, right? I hope). Some considerations. you write: And why did the two powers become heretical but the messianic ideal preferable? You'd think it would be the other way around (because a revolutionary was more dangerous to Rome than a...
by Giuseppe
Wed May 27, 2015 12:13 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: About a messianic prophecy from the Sibylline Oracles. . .
Replies: 55
Views: 39744

Re: About a messianic prophecy from the Sibylline Oracles. .

I find this: http://www.luke2427.com/jesus-battle-against-babylon-in-revelation/ The dramatic narrative of Revelation is strikingly similar. The entire book appears to be driven by this most fundamental retelling of Joshua’s battle against Jericho. The extent of shared vocabulary and the overlap of ...
by Giuseppe
Wed May 27, 2015 9:31 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: About a messianic prophecy from the Sibylline Oracles. . .
Replies: 55
Views: 39744

Re: About a messianic prophecy from the Sibylline Oracles. .

To be honest, wanting read a priori with Christian lens that passage, my first thought was of Joshua stopping the sun, but seen as an ideal of Christian Jesus. The problem is why a Christian would invent a prophecy of Christ to come the first time on Earth? I usually see Christians resort to the old...
by Giuseppe
Wed May 27, 2015 8:44 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: About a messianic prophecy from the Sibylline Oracles. . .
Replies: 55
Views: 39744

About a messianic prophecy from the Sibylline Oracles. . .

I read this: In any case, the knowledge that the educated portion of the heathen world, so far as it was religious at all, was permeated with a philosphical theology not unlike that which could be stated as the essence of their own religion, furnished the cosmopolitan Jews with an excellent opening ...
by Giuseppe
Mon May 25, 2015 3:04 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Did marcionites accept a ''YHWH saves'' as their angel?
Replies: 42
Views: 37118

Re: Did marcionites accept a ''YHWH saves'' as their angel?

All ok, but you can assume at least here, for simple sake of argument, the Mcn priority, and discuss my view without no problem. Only as pure experiment of mind.
by Giuseppe
Mon May 25, 2015 1:18 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Did marcionites accept a ''YHWH saves'' as their angel?
Replies: 42
Views: 37118

Re: Did marcionites accept a ''YHWH saves'' as their angel?

The logic would be this: 1) if Jesus existed and was a Jewish apocalyptic prophet, the Earliest Written Gospel was an allegorical apology in order to cast in INVISIBLE triumph ON THIS HEART the apparent VISIBLE failure of Jesus (i.e. Mark). 2) But Mcn was the Earliest Written Gospel (that means: no ...
by Giuseppe
Sun May 24, 2015 9:56 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Did marcionites accept a ''YHWH saves'' as their angel?
Replies: 42
Views: 37118

Re: Did marcionites accept a ''YHWH saves'' as their angel?

As you well know, G, Marcion expected the plans of the creator god (the god of the Judeans) to happen exactly as predicted in Judean scriptures ok (I'm not denying that), but the plans of the creator god will be realized in a indefinite future (according to Marcion), NOT at the same time of the pre...
by Giuseppe
Sun May 24, 2015 9:59 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Did marcionites accept a ''YHWH saves'' as their angel?
Replies: 42
Views: 37118

Re: Did marcionites accept a ''YHWH saves'' as their angel?

I think it was surely possible to persuade a Jew that a messiah has come realizing all the Scriptures in invisible manner. While I think that it is IMPOSSIBLE to persuade a Jew in accepting a messiah that has come to disprove one by one all the Jewish Scriptures. If a historical Jesus existed and si...
by Giuseppe
Sat May 23, 2015 11:02 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Did marcionites accept a ''YHWH saves'' as their angel?
Replies: 42
Views: 37118

Re: Did marcionites accept a ''YHWH saves'' as their angel?

Marcion was even considered an ally with Jews by Tertullian. According to Tertullian, Marcion’s claim that Christ was not the Messiah the Jews expected according to their prophecies made them allies. This is curious, because in Toledoth Jeschu we see that Paul is described not as in a famous talmudi...
by Giuseppe
Sat May 23, 2015 9:57 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Did marcionites accept a ''YHWH saves'' as their angel?
Replies: 42
Views: 37118

Re: Did marcionites accept a ''YHWH saves'' as their angel?

I read this: Yᵊho•shuꞋa; י--ה [is] national-salvation or military-salvation; contracted to the cognomen יְשוּעַ (YᵊshuꞋa), from the unused root verb יַשַׁע ( to deliver nationally or militarily, to save nationally or militarily). This term is never used of the Hellenist (idolatrous) concept of "...