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- Thu Apr 18, 2024 8:51 pm
- Forum: Academic Discussion
- Topic: Comments on Handwriting Analysis and the Mar Saba Letter
- Replies: 15
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Re: Comments on Handwriting Analysis and the Mar Saba Letter
As Brown notes, with reference to Anastasopoulou's report on the subject, a document like the Mar Saba fragment is particularly susceptible to a successful demonstration of its artificiality, if that were true about its handwriting: Forging a document is not a simple matter of picking up a pen and i...
- Thu Apr 18, 2024 8:36 pm
- Forum: Academic Discussion
- Topic: Comments on Handwriting Analysis and the Mar Saba Letter
- Replies: 15
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Re: Comments on Handwriting Analysis and the Mar Saba Letter
Anastasopoulou commented: https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/biblical-topics/bible-interpretation/venetia-anastasopoulou-can-a-document-in-itself-reveal-a-forgery/ When a large document is consistent, we have a first indication of genuineness and this applies to the Secret Mark letter. The Se...
- Thu Apr 18, 2024 8:19 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Distinguishing some questions about the "Letter to Theodore"
- Replies: 105
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Re: Distinguishing some questions about the "Letter to Theodore"
A few comments on handwriting analysis and on the Mar Saba fragment that I have written are here:
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Where there's an expectation that comments made are based on mutual respect.
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Where there's an expectation that comments made are based on mutual respect.
- Thu Apr 18, 2024 8:14 pm
- Forum: Academic Discussion
- Topic: Comments on Handwriting Analysis and the Mar Saba Letter
- Replies: 15
- Views: 135
Comments on Handwriting Analysis and the Mar Saba Letter
Something not done here by Tselikas -- such as providing comparison with other writing with respect to the amount of discontinuity in the writing -- can also be done at the descriptive level, in a verifiable way. This has been done by Timo S. Paananen and Roger Viklund, who (like most of us) also a...
- Thu Apr 18, 2024 7:53 pm
- Forum: Academic Discussion
- Topic: Comments on Handwriting Analysis and the Mar Saba Letter
- Replies: 15
- Views: 135
Comments on Handwriting Analysis and the Mar Saba Letter
Commenting outside of his own discipline, and writing after Anastasopoulou published, Tselikas offered criticism in category (b), stating that “the scribe of the letter would not use the own personal style” and implicitly rejected the validity of the methods used in handwriting examination when cons...
- Thu Apr 18, 2024 7:36 pm
- Forum: Academic Discussion
- Topic: Comments on Handwriting Analysis and the Mar Saba Letter
- Replies: 15
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Comments on Handwriting Analysis and the Mar Saba Letter
https://tuhat.helsinki.fi/ws/files/125297411/An_Eighteenth_Century_Manuscript_FINAL_REVISION_v13_with_APOCRYPHA_modifications_with_language_check.pdf Tom Davis formulates the methodological basis of handwriting comparison in the following way: “a given writer will tend to produce writing that is idi...
- Thu Apr 18, 2024 6:39 pm
- Forum: Academic Discussion
- Topic: Comments on Handwriting Analysis and the Mar Saba Letter
- Replies: 15
- Views: 135
Comments on Handwriting Analysis and the Mar Saba Letter
Forensic document examiners have a genuine area of expertise. For example, here is a 450 page monograph based on empirical studies, involving collecting data about handwriting, that documents characteristics of disguised writing: https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/20535754.pdf As an area of expertise, ...
- Thu Apr 18, 2024 6:25 pm
- Forum: Academic Discussion
- Topic: Comments on Handwriting Analysis and the Mar Saba Letter
- Replies: 15
- Views: 135
Comments on Handwriting Analysis and the Mar Saba Letter
At the time that Tselikas was asked for his expert opinion as a paleographer, and by the same people (BAR), the professional forensic document examiner Venetia Anastasopoulou was simultaneously being asked to publish. https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/wp-content/uploads/secret-mark-handwriting-res...
- Thu Apr 18, 2024 5:34 pm
- Forum: Academic Discussion
- Topic: Comments on Handwriting Analysis and the Mar Saba Letter
- Replies: 15
- Views: 135
Comments on Handwriting Analysis and the Mar Saba Letter
I made an earlier post in a similar thread here To paraphrase: Tselikas did not strictly speaking establish that the handwriting is later than the 18th century, What Tselikas did claim to establish is that although the handwriting is in one sense an 18th century Greek cursive, the scribe is not wri...
- Thu Apr 18, 2024 11:38 am
- Forum: Academic Discussion
- Topic: Morton Smith, Private Teaching, and γυμνὸς γυμνῷ
- Replies: 1
- Views: 50
Morton Smith, Private Teaching, and γυμνὸς γυμνῷ
The Mar Saba letter has the plural here (iota, not sigma): https://earlywritings.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=169090#p169090 https://earlywritings.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=169661#p169661 https://earlywritings.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=169711#p169711 So the question of how Morton Smith interpreted the ...