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by Peter Kirby
Sun Aug 09, 2015 2:07 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Christ Myth vs Retrospective Historicity
Replies: 16
Views: 12198

Re: Christ Myth vs Retrospective Historicity

If Jesus Christ is a myth, what is the motivation to attempt to place him, so early, into an historical setting with a fixed time period? If the earliest extant gospel artifacts are from the mid-2nd century, then the originals are some time earlier, placing the act of "retrospective historicit...
by Peter Kirby
Sun Aug 09, 2015 2:00 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: My review of Richard Carrier's "On the Historicity of Jesus"
Replies: 139
Views: 106561

Re: My review of Richard Carrier's "On the Historicity of Je

I would generally agree, although it may make a difference when presenting a definition to a lay audience. I haven't read his book so I don't know how he presents it there, but I've seen a couple of his presentations on youtube, and in those, he presents Euhemerization as something that sounds as t...
by Peter Kirby
Fri Aug 07, 2015 7:20 am
Forum: Classical Texts and History
Topic: Crucifixion of slaves by masters.
Replies: 7
Views: 16988

Re: Crucifixion of slaves by masters.

a general lack of any slaves over age 30 in surviving tax rolls from Roman era Egypt. 100% manumission of slaves who live to 30? That's about as hard to fathom as the opposite, that no slave lived to be 30. Incidentally -- could this be an attempt to strive after status? https://en.wikipedia.org/wi...
by Peter Kirby
Fri Aug 07, 2015 6:52 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Luke's remains
Replies: 40
Views: 29557

Re: Luke's remains

... first century human remains ... Actually, that's inaccurate too. Turns out that it was naive to accept the Telegraph's reporting without checking any other sources. The Telegraph's phrasing: "someone who died between AD72 and 416BC." However, every other source that I can find that is...
by Peter Kirby
Thu Aug 06, 2015 10:45 pm
Forum: Classical Texts and History
Topic: Proof of something or another
Replies: 4
Views: 11020

Re: Proof of something or another

Κύνες πρὸς ἔμετον indeed!
+1 would read with incomprehension again
by Peter Kirby
Thu Aug 06, 2015 1:38 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: On the fabricated mythicist "Pauli"...
Replies: 7
Views: 5381

Re: On the fabricated mythicist "Pauli"...

Disclaimer: I don't claim to know what Giuseppe is actually saying. So take it as a general comment. "Traditionally," Bruno Bauer and the Dutch Radical school held that the Pauline Epistles were written in the full light of knowledge of the Gospel tale. Combining the second-century Paul o...
by Peter Kirby
Thu Aug 06, 2015 12:45 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Luke's remains
Replies: 40
Views: 29557

Re: Luke's remains

This all reminds me of a book I read way back when about the remains of St. Peter in Rome. It seemed vaguely convincing at the time. I believe it was called "The Bones of St. Peter," published 1982, by John Evangelist Walsh. http://www.defendingthebride.com/ss/peter/Bones%20of%20St%20Peter...
by Peter Kirby
Thu Aug 06, 2015 12:32 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Luke's remains
Replies: 40
Views: 29557

Re: Luke's remains

It is a fascinating question? Sure. I've found a reference that is relevant, but someone else (if anyone) will have to track it down. The Passio S. Artemii, Philostorgius, and the dates of the invention and translations of the relics of Sts Andrew and Luke. Burgess, Richard W.. (2011) - In: Burgess...
by Peter Kirby
Wed Aug 05, 2015 11:12 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Luke's remains
Replies: 40
Views: 29557

Re: Luke's remains

Well this is quite possibly another subject you could enlighten me on. Pseudepigraphy (writings not by a person but purported to be by a person) number in the hundreds or even thousands (depending on your timeframe and the way you subdivide your pseudepigraphs). Now most scholars get very wibbly wo...
by Peter Kirby
Wed Aug 05, 2015 11:00 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Luke's remains
Replies: 40
Views: 29557

Re: Luke's remains

At the very least, it can tell us is that the first century Christian church regarded this man as important enough to protect and venerate his remains No, it can't. We don't know when exactly these remains began to be protected and venerated. I wasn't meaning that it does tell us, but that it possi...