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by Kunigunde Kreuzerin
Fri Mar 01, 2024 6:07 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Can We At Least Agree that the Marcionites Did Not Call Jesus "Christ"?
Replies: 25
Views: 615

Re: Can We At Least Agree that the Marcionites Did Not Call Jesus "Christ"?

. Sounds to me like the Marcionites should have been according to some people's understanding, but actually weren't. I recently saw this again when Giuseppe rejected the fact that the Marcionites called their place of worship a "synagogue". This is the same when Klinghardt and Vinzent act...
by Kunigunde Kreuzerin
Fri Mar 01, 2024 5:13 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: GThomas as reaction to the proto-catholic reception of GMark and GMatthew
Replies: 31
Views: 1687

Re: GThomas as reaction to the proto-catholic reception of GMark and GMatthew

imho Melissa Harl Sellew interpreted that technique very nicely ("Reading Jesus in the Desert: The Gospel of Thomas Meets the Apophthegmata Patrum") Thomas prefers to present the words … with a minimum of narrative dressing, a compositional strategy that compels or enables the reader to ‘...
by Kunigunde Kreuzerin
Fri Mar 01, 2024 1:01 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: GThomas as reaction to the proto-catholic reception of GMark and GMatthew
Replies: 31
Views: 1687

Re: GThomas as reaction to the proto-catholic reception of GMark and GMatthew

part of the problem with that is a number of canonical sayings and statements are against hierarchical organisation and overseers, and the trappings of religion. this phenomenon seems to occur also working off the epistles which starts going down that path then chooom it's reversed or blocked by al...
by Kunigunde Kreuzerin
Thu Feb 29, 2024 11:14 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: GThomas as reaction to the proto-catholic reception of GMark and GMatthew
Replies: 31
Views: 1687

Re: GThomas as reaction to the proto-catholic reception of GMark and GMatthew

Compared to the synoptic gospels, it seems unusual that Matthew is mentioned alongside Simon Peter in GThomas 13, who otherwise only plays a narrative role in the gospels as a tax collector. ... However, this juxtaposition of Simon Peter and Matthew becomes understandable against the background of ...
by Kunigunde Kreuzerin
Thu Feb 29, 2024 7:59 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Q as a judaizing (late) patina?
Replies: 4
Views: 203

Re: Q as a judaizing (late) patina?

I would add that I think it was originally written in German :D :mrgreen: Don't be too hard on them. They simply couldn't imagine that Luke was truly capable of writing a different genealogy and a birth story with so many contradictions to Matthew. They were just in good faith and had deep trust in...
by Kunigunde Kreuzerin
Thu Feb 29, 2024 2:00 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Basic reason why the name of Pilate was absent in the Earliest Passion Story extrapolated from Mark
Replies: 206
Views: 4598

Re: Basic reason why the name of Pilate was absent in the Earliest Passion Story extrapolated from Mark

Why would an ancient religious writer have transformed a myth into such a sober, brief, and seemingly historical account? because the first need of the propaganda among gentile masses required that the original myth was understood in clear sober, brief and seemingly historical terms. Why? It's not ...
by Kunigunde Kreuzerin
Wed Feb 28, 2024 1:39 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: History of the challenge to apostolic authority (esp Peter)
Replies: 9
Views: 377

Re: History of the challenge to apostolic authority (esp Peter)

. Erich Dinkler , Die Petrus-Rom-Frage: Ein Forschungsbericht, Theologische Rundschau, NEUE FOLGE, Vol. 25, No. 3 (1959), pp. 189-230 (42 pages) google-translation The Peter tradition that developed and consolidated between the author of the first letter to Clement and Leo I actually only became a ...
by Kunigunde Kreuzerin
Wed Feb 28, 2024 12:44 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Basic reason why the name of Pilate was absent in the Earliest Passion Story extrapolated from Mark
Replies: 206
Views: 4598

Re: Basic reason why the name of Pilate was absent in the Earliest Passion Story extrapolated from Mark

Giuseppe wrote: Wed Feb 28, 2024 12:30 pm because the first need of the propaganda among gentile masses required that the original myth was understood in clear sober, brief and seemingly historical terms.
Hence the success of Acts of the Apostles :eh:
by Kunigunde Kreuzerin
Wed Feb 28, 2024 12:11 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Basic reason why the name of Pilate was absent in the Earliest Passion Story extrapolated from Mark
Replies: 206
Views: 4598

Re: Basic reason why the name of Pilate was absent in the Earliest Passion Story extrapolated from Mark

But what do you have then? Apparently a very short, neutral account of the death of Jesus, which could be considered historical in its brevity and sobriety. Is that your goal? More correctly, I have then: A very short epilogue for the first gospel. Merely the more simple and direct translation of t...
by Kunigunde Kreuzerin
Wed Feb 28, 2024 11:05 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Basic reason why the name of Pilate was absent in the Earliest Passion Story extrapolated from Mark
Replies: 206
Views: 4598

Re: Basic reason why the name of Pilate was absent in the Earliest Passion Story extrapolated from Mark

But against that, the following is decisive, in my view: I'm trying to understand what you actually want to achieve. I tend to think that you would have to shorten your reconstructed Passion account even further. I notice a few things that I would consider to be Mark's style. Giuseppe KK So they bo...