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by neilgodfrey
Mon Sep 18, 2017 5:30 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Rules of Historical Reasoning
Replies: 257
Views: 171225

Re: Rules of Historical Reasoning

I'm disagreeing with the way Day and you apply the terms primary and secondary sources. You're allowed to do that. You may have read other works that I haven't, of course. But I can't recall any of the historians discussing sources having a fundamentally different view on what some would see as the...
by neilgodfrey
Mon Sep 18, 2017 1:37 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Rules of Historical Reasoning
Replies: 257
Views: 171225

Re: Rules of Historical Reasoning

.. Let's say the Gospel of Mark is a historical document about the life of Jesus 40 years earlier. That would mean GMark is a secondary source for Jesus. Only if it was supported by primary sources such as specific, named, first-hand accounts*; or documented first-person accounts; official document...
by neilgodfrey
Mon Sep 18, 2017 12:27 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Rules of Historical Reasoning
Replies: 257
Views: 171225

Re: Rules of Historical Reasoning

Just another illustration to hopefully clarify. A few scholars have written that they believe the Gospel of Mark was written in response to the crucifixions of Jews around Jerusalem at the time of the war around 70 CE and the destruction of the temple at that time. They argue that the Passion and re...
by neilgodfrey
Mon Sep 18, 2017 12:18 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Rules of Historical Reasoning
Replies: 257
Views: 171225

Re: Rules of Historical Reasoning

... if the secondary source for event X happened to be written in time A then it is a primary source for Time A. Yes it is "It is a product of time A". It may well be "a primary source for time A", but will not be a primary source for event X unless it is an account about event ...
by neilgodfrey
Sun Sep 17, 2017 10:15 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Rules of Historical Reasoning
Replies: 257
Views: 171225

Re: Rules of Historical Reasoning

Compare the Book of Daniel. Daniel might be considered a secondary source for Babylonian and Persian empire periods, but it is of most interest to historians as a primary source for the time of the Maccabees. Every work by definition is a primary source for the time in which it was produced. Every w...
by neilgodfrey
Sun Sep 17, 2017 10:11 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Rules of Historical Reasoning
Replies: 257
Views: 171225

Re: Rules of Historical Reasoning

But every secondary source, so-called, is also a primary source for its own time and place. No. A secondary source cannot be a primary source. As you admit, we don't know 'their own time' [of composition] or 'place' [of composition]. You misunderstood me. Obviously a secondary source for event X ca...
by neilgodfrey
Sun Sep 17, 2017 10:02 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: 1st & 2nd C writers who missed Christianity
Replies: 74
Views: 64467

Re: 1st & 2nd C writers who missed Christianity

My mother died without knowing who The Weeknd is ... and my mother's house is less than 15 minutes from his. Explain that. I went to Steven Page's Bar Mitzvah and went to school with him and Ed Robertson https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woburn_Collegiate_Institute but she never had a clue who the Ba...
by neilgodfrey
Sun Sep 17, 2017 6:20 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Rules of Historical Reasoning
Replies: 257
Views: 171225

Re: Rules of Historical Reasoning

Gospels are not primary sources for Jesus; they are generally believed to be secondary sources by biblical scholars: that is, they are based on oral reports or primary or other secondary sources. Paul claims, according to many, that he learned about Jesus from other sources. I don't think we need ne...
by neilgodfrey
Sun Sep 17, 2017 5:14 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Rules of Historical Reasoning
Replies: 257
Views: 171225

Rules of Historical Reasoning

From Mark Day, The Philosophy of History , 2008, pp. 20-21. Mark Day bases the following "rules" on ‘historiographical manuals’ - those books written for the student of history, and in particular postgraduate or PhD students of departments of history 4 . . . . 4 Arthur Marwick' The Nature ...
by neilgodfrey
Sat Sep 16, 2017 1:25 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The best case for Jesus's historicity: Mark Craig
Replies: 473
Views: 234626

Re: The best case for Jesus's historicity: Mark Craig

Avoiding context and hand waiving away solid points only shows desperation. Answer the question Neil. If a Galilean was crucified and his death martyred as a sacrifice in the temple by Hellenist, what textual religious evidence would or could we expect to see??????????????? I have no idea what you ...