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by Peter Kirby
Sun Apr 21, 2024 2:37 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: are these supposed to be sound arguments?
Replies: 42
Views: 909

Re: are these supposed to be sound arguments?

Smith had been previously searching manuscripts. At Mar Saba he went to catalog books not manuscripts, though not a librarian nor bibliographer? And just happened to find a manuscript in a book near his last day? Coincidence? What are you trying to say? What do you mean by "At Mar Saba he went...
by Peter Kirby
Sun Apr 21, 2024 2:27 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: are these supposed to be sound arguments?
Replies: 42
Views: 909

Re: are these supposed to be sound arguments?

StephenGoranson wrote: Sun Apr 21, 2024 2:26 pm In some degree---cumulatively. If you had a note about Clement, would you note it with Clement or with Ignatius.
So you don't see anything wrong with this argument? Nothing? It passes your critical thinking checks?
by Peter Kirby
Sun Apr 21, 2024 2:24 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: are these supposed to be sound arguments?
Replies: 42
Views: 909

Re: are these supposed to be sound arguments?

"If a monk wanted to record "Clement" why not do it instead in the Clement edition owned in Mar Saba?" I already supported this today. The 1715 two-volume folio edition of Clement attested at Mar Saba would be a much more plausible place to annotate a Clement addition then in a ...
by Peter Kirby
Sun Apr 21, 2024 2:24 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: are these supposed to be sound arguments?
Replies: 42
Views: 909

Re: are these supposed to be sound arguments?

"MS got early liturgy wrong." Wrong for what fit Clement in Egypt. This, supported from, iirc, Robin Jenson (a Columbia grad, I think), and Peter Jeffrey, an early liturgy specialist, and a colleague prof of Smith's at Columbia. How does this support your opinion of the authorship of the ...
by Peter Kirby
Sun Apr 21, 2024 2:23 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: are these supposed to be sound arguments?
Replies: 42
Views: 909

Re: are these supposed to be sound arguments?

StephenGoranson wrote: Sun Apr 21, 2024 2:20 pm Scholem, Nock, Lieberman, Gaster, and at least a couple of his students knew he was capable of this hoax.
What exactly did they "know" and how can we verify that this shows that he was "capable of this hoax"?
by Peter Kirby
Sun Apr 21, 2024 2:10 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: are these supposed to be sound arguments?
Replies: 42
Views: 909

Re: are these supposed to be sound arguments?

And, please, don't deflect.
by Peter Kirby
Sun Apr 21, 2024 2:02 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: are these supposed to be sound arguments?
Replies: 42
Views: 909

Re: are these supposed to be sound arguments?

StephenGoranson wrote: Sun Apr 21, 2024 1:58 pm Smith was a Christianity lover, then a Christianity hater.
Sure, I defend that statement.
Why misrepresent my position?
You've represented your own position, SG.
by Peter Kirby
Sun Apr 21, 2024 2:01 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: are these supposed to be sound arguments?
Replies: 42
Views: 909

Re: are these supposed to be sound arguments?

These ARE sound arguments, imo. I defend them all. Ariel Sabar has given (Atlantic, April) relevant biographical information for his turn against religion and academic disappointments. Why do you believe that this is a sound argument for your opinion on the authorship of the document? His Harvard s...
by Peter Kirby
Sun Apr 21, 2024 1:47 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: are these supposed to be sound arguments?
Replies: 42
Views: 909

Re: are these supposed to be sound arguments?

Again, do you believe that any of these statements represent a sound argument for your opinion on the authorship of the document? If so, which and why?
by Peter Kirby
Sun Apr 21, 2024 1:46 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: are these supposed to be sound arguments?
Replies: 42
Views: 909

Re: are these supposed to be sound arguments?

StephenGoranson wrote: Sun Apr 21, 2024 1:43 pm These ARE sound arguments, imo.
StephenGoranson wrote: Sun Apr 21, 2024 1:45 pm 18 or so arguments.
If you have 18 or so sound arguments, surely you can try to defend at least one?