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by andrewcriddle
Fri Jun 02, 2017 12:33 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: From a dying Christ to Jesus Christ
Replies: 68
Views: 182798

Re: From a dying Christ to Jesus Christ

But in Luke and in John I don't find the idea of the Son as "the cup receiving the milk of the father". Drijver translates the Curetonian Syriac of John 1:14 as the Father, as He was full of grace and truth . I.E. it is the Father whose is full of grace and truth bot the word. (It seems c...
by andrewcriddle
Thu Jun 01, 2017 11:53 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: From a dying Christ to Jesus Christ
Replies: 68
Views: 182798

Re: From a dying Christ to Jesus Christ

So Davies about Ode 19 and 33: Some might argue that there are specific references to Christian themes in Ode 19, which discusses a virgin birth, and in Ode 24 where a dove flutters above the Messiah. Buth in both cases the imagery in the Odes is utterly unlike any that has ever been associated wit...
by andrewcriddle
Thu Jun 01, 2017 10:53 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: From a dying Christ to Jesus Christ
Replies: 68
Views: 182798

Re: From a dying Christ to Jesus Christ

According to prof Stevan Davies, this talks about the inverse direction of dependence, i.e. from Odes to John. I tend to think that Drijvers is correct in relating this Syriac tradition to the Diatessaron which brought together the birth of Christ from God in the beginning of John and the birth of ...
by andrewcriddle
Tue May 30, 2017 9:07 pm
Forum: Jewish Texts and History
Topic: Ba'al and Yahweh.
Replies: 12
Views: 16663

Re: Ba'al and Yahweh.

That does make sense, and I agree that "there is no prima facie expectation" that Yahwism would necessarily have to have the same mythos, particularly if this part is sound: This involves describing the departing of Ba'al and the response of the other gods in ways deliberately modeled on ...
by andrewcriddle
Tue May 30, 2017 8:44 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The spear versus the cross
Replies: 11
Views: 6114

Re: The spear versus the cross

Andrew, how do you reconcile the "great city" here being (apparently) Jerusalem when elsewhere in the book it is (apparently) Rome? I would distinguish Babylon the great city (Rome see for comparison 1 Peter 5:13) and Sodom the great city (Jerusalem see Isaiah 1:9-10 Jeremiah 23:10 ...). ...
by andrewcriddle
Tue May 30, 2017 8:10 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: From a dying Christ to Jesus Christ
Replies: 68
Views: 182798

Re: From a dying Christ to Jesus Christ

I've been reading Drijvers on the Odes of Solomon He translates the passage in Ode 19 The Holy Spirit opened Her bosom, and mixed the milk of the two breasts of the Father. as The Holy Spirit opened Her womb, and mixed the milk of the two breasts of the Father. (The Syriac can mean either) and sees ...
by andrewcriddle
Mon May 29, 2017 3:22 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: From a dying Christ to Jesus Christ
Replies: 68
Views: 182798

Re: From a dying Christ to Jesus Christ

in this case the Ode would be referring to the destruction of the Temple. Andrew Criddle But the context supports the former reading: 1) the destination of ''everything'' overwhelmed by the river is the temple as final place of worship of the One God. 2) Moreover, someone named Solomon, builder of ...
by andrewcriddle
Mon May 29, 2017 2:10 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: From a dying Christ to Jesus Christ
Replies: 68
Views: 182798

Re: From a dying Christ to Jesus Christ

Rylands mentions this particular Ode: Ode 6 As the wind glides through the harp and the strings speak, So the Spirit of the Lord speaks through my members, and I speak through His love. For He destroys whatever is alien, and everything is of the Lord. For thus it was from the beginning, and will be...
by andrewcriddle
Mon May 29, 2017 1:58 am
Forum: Jewish Texts and History
Topic: Ba'al and Yahweh.
Replies: 12
Views: 16663

Re: Ba'al and Yahweh.

I've been reading the primary texts (in translation) e.g. Hittite Myths by Hoffner. The basic argument that Mark Smith is making goes something like this. a/ In Bronze Age Syria Anatolia and Palestine there is a widespread myth in which a leading god typically the storm-god disappears, (sometimes af...
by andrewcriddle
Mon May 29, 2017 12:43 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The spear versus the cross
Replies: 11
Views: 6114

Re: The spear versus the cross

Revelation 11:8
and their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city that symbolically is called Sodom and Egypt, where their Lord was crucified.
Andrew Criddle