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- Thu Dec 03, 2015 8:24 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Carrier proposes the NT Jesus based on Philo's Jesus angel
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Re: Carrier proposes the NT Jesus based on Philo's Jesus ang
Richard Carrier says March 12, 2013 at 10:37 am ... Philo himself says that he is rejecting Zechariah’s interpretation (that a mere ordinary historical man is being described) and adopting an esoteric explanation of the scene instead (that this figure is not a man but a celestial being, in fact a p...
- Thu Dec 03, 2015 8:17 pm
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- Topic: Carrier proposes the NT Jesus based on Philo's Jesus angel
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Re: Carrier proposes the NT Jesus based on Philo's Jesus ang
His answer has taken us to Zacharias, but it is the thinking of Philo that is of interest. The question is : However, Philo does not name this figure “Jesus.” The name “Jesus” does not appear anywhere in the text, nor does the context of Philo’s passage suggest the name would have been thematically...
- Thu Dec 03, 2015 8:02 pm
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- Topic: Carrier proposes the NT Jesus based on Philo's Jesus angel
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Re: Carrier proposes the NT Jesus based on Philo's Jesus ang
Richard Carrier says March 4, 2013 at 3:22 pm ... in my talk I addressed the difference between what the author of Zechariah meant and what Philo is taking him to mean (Philo is clearly, and explicitly, saying the author he quotes wasn’t talking about the first priest of the second temple, but the ...
- Thu Dec 03, 2015 7:57 pm
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Re: Carrier proposes the NT Jesus based on Philo's Jesus ang
7 Fpvflyer says February 28, 2013 at 8:27 am Hi, Dr. Carrier, It is not merely an issue of how you translate the word anatolê. Philo names the “man” anatolê in 14.62. Philo does not call the “man” “Jesus” in 14.60-63. Philo thematizes anatolê, but he does not thematize the name “Jesus.” These point...
- Thu Dec 03, 2015 7:48 pm
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Re: Carrier proposes the NT Jesus based on Philo's Jesus ang
Later - Richard Carrier [aka MrMacson] * says February 27, 2013 at 3:31 pm Carrier: “What Philo took from the word [anatolê] is not relevant to any argument I make.” fvpflyer: I would have to disagree with this point. Philo names this figure “rising” or “East.” He does not explicitly attribute the n...
- Thu Dec 03, 2015 7:40 pm
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- Topic: Carrier proposes the NT Jesus based on Philo's Jesus angel
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Re: Carrier proposes the NT Jesus based on Philo's Jesus ang
MrMacSon, Greek is not necessary to properly evaluate this exchange: The question However, Philo does not name this figure “Jesus.” The name “Jesus” does not appear anywhere in the text, nor does the context of Philo’s passage suggest the name would have been thematically relevant for Philo’s usage...
- Thu Dec 03, 2015 7:26 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Carrier proposes the NT Jesus based on Philo's Jesus angel
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Re: Carrier proposes the NT Jesus based on Philo's Jesus ang
which questions Carrier's translation of a critical section of the Greek text of Zechariah as 'on the head of the high priest Joshua son of “YHWH is just." That translation seems to have been provided by fpvflyer - http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/archives/3103/comment-page-1#comment-32323
- Thu Dec 03, 2015 5:17 pm
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- Topic: Carrier proposes the NT Jesus based on Philo's Jesus angel
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Re: Carrier proposes the NT Jesus based on Philo's Jesus ang
Zechariah 3 - 1 Then he showed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the Lord, and Satan standing at his right side to accuse him. 2 The Lord said to Satan, “The Lord rebuke you, Satan! The Lord, who has chosen Jerusalem, rebuke you! Is not this man a burning stick snatched from th...
- Thu Dec 03, 2015 5:11 pm
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- Topic: Carrier proposes the NT Jesus based on Philo's Jesus angel
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Re: Carrier proposes the NT Jesus based on Philo's Jesus ang
Zechariah 6 11 Take the silver and gold and make a crown, and set it on the head of the high priest Joshua son of “YHWH is just*” 12 say to him *[ie. the high priest Joshua son of “YHWH is just”]: 'Thus says the LORD of hosts: "Here is a man whose name is Rise: for he shall *rise* in his place...
- Thu Dec 03, 2015 4:49 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Carrier proposes the NT Jesus based on Philo's Jesus angel
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Re: Carrier proposes the NT Jesus based on Philo's Jesus ang
Could you elaborate in your own words (rather than merely producing wall after wall of text and some anonymous internet poster)? How can the LXX be read to allow for the idea that Jesus the high priest was the anatole? Break it down for me using only the Greek text. And is the reason you can't go b...