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by avi
Fri Oct 11, 2013 7:42 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: evidence for Christianity before the third Roman Jewish conflict
Replies: 106
Views: 110589

Re: Hadrian and the Christians

There is no evidence for the existence of any Christian writings or beliefs, prior to the conclusion of the third Roman Jewish conflict, No, you're wrong. There is Tacitus, Suetonius, and Pliny the Younger, all writing before the Bar Kokhba conflict, which would attest to the existence of Christian...
by avi
Fri Oct 11, 2013 7:26 am
Forum: Jewish Texts and History
Topic: Jewish DNA
Replies: 2
Views: 10984

Re: Jewish DNA

http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=15;t=008539 Interesting to observe the arguments and changes in opinion, as new data emerged, about Otzi, the 5000 year old hunter from the Italian Alps. Initially, based on MtDNA (100% maternal), it was claimed that he belonged to non...
by avi
Thu Oct 10, 2013 10:50 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: evidence for Christianity before the third Roman Jewish conflict
Replies: 106
Views: 110589

Re: Hadrian and the Christians

There is no evidence for the existence of any Christian writings or beliefs, prior to the conclusion of the third Roman Jewish conflict (= Constantine) This is a deliberate misquotation. Look again. I wrote nothing about Lord Constantine. I certainly have NEVER equated the terminus of the third Rom...
by avi
Thu Oct 10, 2013 10:10 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: evidence for Christianity before the third Roman Jewish conflict
Replies: 106
Views: 110589

Re: Christianity in Jewish literature

But how did the second century Jewish source of Celsus get it wrong? He wrote a book against Christianity less than a hundred years after the first gospels were published. He cites Matthew at length and had access to good sources. NOPE. The Greek author, Celsus, is cited by Origen. There is no exta...
by avi
Thu Oct 10, 2013 10:04 am
Forum: Jewish Texts and History
Topic: Christianity in Jewish literature
Replies: 20
Views: 31541

Re: Christianity in Jewish literature

See Tosefta Hullin 2:22-23 (Jacob of Kefer Sama offers to cure Eleazar b. Damah in the name of Jesus ben Pantera) and 2:24 (R Eliezer is arrested for association with Jacob of Kefer Sikhnin a disciple of Jesus ben Pantera.) IMO Jesus ben Pantera is the Jesus of the NT although some have doubted thi...
by avi
Thu Oct 10, 2013 9:14 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: evidence for Christianity before the third Roman Jewish conflict
Replies: 106
Views: 110589

evidence for Christianity before the third Roman Jewish conflict

The Second century played a key role in the development of ancient Christianity. From Pliny’s perception of the nova superstitio as separated from its Jewish roots to Celsus’ powerful attack on Christianity under Marcus Aurelius and thereafter, this period saw the wide social diffusion of Christian...
by avi
Thu Oct 10, 2013 8:53 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: an example of the kind of thing to avoid
Replies: 15
Views: 33310

Re: an example of the kind of thing to avoid

The passionate debates about Jesus' existence transparently serve only one purpose: to badmouth or deride the opposite belief. It should be apparent to an informed person that with what we really know both scenarios are plainly possible and that we cannot say conclusively, yeah or nay. May I inquir...
by avi
Mon Oct 07, 2013 2:59 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Ehrman's latest book: Forgery and Counterforgery
Replies: 23
Views: 54124

Re: Ehrman's latest book: Forgery and Counterforgery

I'm kind of looking forward to this one, and it doesn't sound like the kind of thing that will just be farmed out to grad students. Perhaps I am wrong, Diogenes, but, in my opinion, the main problem with DJE was that Bart did not farm it out to his graduate students. I suspect they would have prote...