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by DCHindley
Sat Mar 07, 2015 2:59 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Udo Schnelle: Early Christianity and Culture
Replies: 37
Views: 15036

Re: Udo Schnelle: Early Christianity and Culture

Pretty complicated stuff ... ... One could develop his whole life's study around this and not be right. Do you agree we should keep a rhetorical lens on Paul while using moderation? By "with moderation," do you mean "without engaging in flame warfare"? I could get into that ... ...
by DCHindley
Sat Mar 07, 2015 11:54 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Udo Schnelle: Early Christianity and Culture
Replies: 37
Views: 15036

Re: Udo Schnelle: Early Christianity and Culture

To illustrate the utter chaos that exists among quite competent classicists when it comes to classifying any rhetorical methods/style Paul is thought to have presented in his works, here is a list of the analyses of several critics restricted to the book of Galatians: Hans Dieter Betz (1975, Galatia...
by DCHindley
Sat Mar 07, 2015 11:16 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Udo Schnelle: Early Christianity and Culture
Replies: 37
Views: 15036

Re: Udo Schnelle: Early Christianity and Culture

I've put together an annotated list of the important ancient works on rhetoric, garnered primarily from Kern's book, but annotated with details from Wiki or other web pages dedicated to these works. Aristotle (fl. 384 – 322 BC, Greek): Ῥητορική = Ars Rhetorica , "The 'Art' of Rhetoric" [tr...
by DCHindley
Sat Mar 07, 2015 12:24 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: David Trobisch"The Consensus is Marcionite Priority Over Lk"
Replies: 68
Views: 33336

Re: David Trobisch"The Consensus is Marcionite Priority Over

Who is this mysterious "Stephen Hermann Huller" of Dr. Price? Stephen = Stephan (misspelled on purpose) Hermann = as in "a Hermann Detering clone" Huller = Huller ?? Hmmm, "Stephen" was just a typo in the post. I guess it was indeed our own Stephan Hermann (is that real...
by DCHindley
Sat Mar 07, 2015 12:04 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Harnack's Edition of Marcion's Apostolikon (Gal 1:1-2:10)
Replies: 10
Views: 7485

Re: Harnack's Edition of Marcion's Apostolikon (Gal 1:1-2:10

For comparison, Jason BeDuhn, The First New Testament (2013) pp 260ff To GaIatians Prologue Galatae sunt Graeci. Hi verbum veritatis primum ab apostolo acceperunt, sed post discessum eius temptati sunt a falsis apostolis, ut in legem et circumcisionem verterentur. Hos apostolus revocat ad fidem veri...
by DCHindley
Tue Mar 03, 2015 4:56 pm
Forum: Jewish Texts and History
Topic: Did Plato influence the Book of Genesis?
Replies: 11
Views: 12560

Re: Did Plato influence the Book of Genesis?

I'm not sure, though. This is an old tussle. The ancient smear alleges that Plato copied from Moses, and we don't believe that... Why is it a smear? I thought it was Judeans like Philo and Christian fathers who claimed that Plato must have been influenced by the Pentateuch, but that was in an attem...
by DCHindley
Sat Feb 28, 2015 5:17 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Udo Schnelle: Early Christianity and Culture
Replies: 37
Views: 15036

Re: Udo Schnelle: Early Christianity and Culture

A while ago Mark D. Nanos published The Irony of Galatians (2002) that touched on Paul's likely use of Rhetoric in this book. That same year, he edited a book containing 23 essays from the likes of Hans Dieter Betz, James D. Hester, James D. G. Dunn, Paula Fredrickson, Philip S. Esler and of course ...
by DCHindley
Sat Feb 28, 2015 3:42 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Udo Schnelle: Early Christianity and Culture
Replies: 37
Views: 15036

Re: Das frühe Christentum und die Bildung

I get an uneasy feeling when I hear the name Paul connected with the art of Rhetoric. DCH in my class at Harvard, they spent a day on Pauls rhetoric prose. There is no debate that is how he was trained to write. To what levels did his community pervert their artistic freedom, however is on a senten...
by DCHindley
Sat Feb 28, 2015 9:45 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Udo Schnelle: Early Christianity and Culture
Replies: 37
Views: 15036

Re: Das frühe Christentum und die Bildung

Peter, I get an uneasy feeling when I hear the name Paul connected with the art of Rhetoric. ... I do not think [Paul] was bi-polar, I just think things he did write were later used for reasons he never intended. ... So, what was Paul, then? IMHO, Paul was a retainer of the household of a Herodian ...
by DCHindley
Fri Feb 27, 2015 3:55 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Udo Schnelle: Early Christianity and Culture
Replies: 37
Views: 15036

Re: Das frühe Christentum und die Bildung

Peter, I get an uneasy feeling when I hear the name Paul connected with the art of Rhetoric. Sometimes I think that the relative impossibility of understanding even his "authentic" letters makes some folks get really really creative with what constitutes "plausible". Of COURSE Pa...