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by MrMacSon
Sun Mar 10, 2024 3:22 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Letter to Theodore (an anti-Carpocratian text)
Replies: 2
Views: 127

Letter to Theodore (an anti-Carpocratian text)

The following is from http://homes.chass.utoronto.ca/~browns/LGM.html (though the notes have been moved relative to each other; paragraphed here; and italicised as the other version cited next) (Smith's version at https://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/secretmark.html) From the letters of the m...
by MrMacSon
Sun Mar 10, 2024 3:00 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: κολοβοδάκτυλος
Replies: 33
Views: 675

Re: κολοβοδάκτυλος

The letter [ to Theodore ] echoes Papias in the manner that Origen does. Morton Smith’s account of its discovery...plausibly depends on other nonfiction works of manuscript discoveries written during the 1960s. Further work may be needed to secure attribution, but Origenian authorship is a simpler ...
by MrMacSon
Sun Mar 10, 2024 2:31 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Sacrifice of Jesus to "purchase" our souls from???
Replies: 17
Views: 412

Re: Sacrifice of Jesus to "purchase" our souls from???

The big problem with the "Gnostic" concepts of Jesus is that, at least from what I have seen, most "Gnostic" concepts of Jesus, and the Marcionite concept specifically, is they rely heavily on the Gospels and on the idea that Jesus himself was announcing things and making his Fa...
by MrMacSon
Sun Mar 10, 2024 2:19 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Sacrifice of Jesus to "purchase" our souls from???
Replies: 17
Views: 412

Re: Sacrifice of Jesus to "purchase" our souls from???

What we are told over and over again [in the Pauline letters] is that Jesus was sacrificed for the sins of the ungodly . There is also something about being raised from the dead and having faith that he was in fact raised from the dead. But, mostly, it's that Jesus was a sacrifice offered in our pl...
by MrMacSon
Sun Mar 10, 2024 3:22 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Earlier dating of Revelation
Replies: 17
Views: 458

Re: Earlier dating of Revelation

In the first draft of Revelation, John took the whole of Ezekiel and chapters 6 to 29 of Isaiah and formed a parallel with them. The content in both sections contained many of the same items in the same order. The result was two sets of wax tablets, one set from Ezekiel, the other from Isaiah https...
by MrMacSon
Sun Mar 10, 2024 3:11 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Earlier dating of Revelation
Replies: 17
Views: 458

Re: Earlier dating of Revelation

I'd recommend How John Wrote the Book of Revelation: From Concept to Publication by Kim Mark Lewis https://www.amazon.com/How-John-Wrote-Book-Revelation-ebook/dp/B0992RWJF3/ref=tmm_kin_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr= https://books.google.com.au/books/about/How_John_Wrote_the_Book_of_Revelat...
by MrMacSon
Sun Mar 10, 2024 1:23 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Marcion and the Philosophers (split from: κολοβοδάκτυλος)
Replies: 7
Views: 126

Re: Marcion and the Philosophers (split from: κολοβοδάκτυλος)

Could you remove these references to Empedocles Maybe don't be so fast to dismiss the significance of Empedocles to your measure[ment] point/s   In the middle of the fifth century BCE, Empedocles formulated a philosophical program in hexameter verse that pioneered the influential four-part theory o...
by MrMacSon
Sat Mar 09, 2024 9:46 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Marcion and the Philosophers (split from: κολοβοδάκτυλος)
Replies: 7
Views: 126

Re: κολοβοδάκτυλος

That wider context [is the author of Refutation ] is claiming that Marcion had a philosophical system of two opposing principles at creation (good vs evil), following Empedocles , which I find a little hard to believe personally It could be a claim to discredit Marcion [as, for example, not having ...
by MrMacSon
Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:37 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: κολοβοδάκτυλος
Replies: 33
Views: 675

Re: κολοβοδάκτυλος

Yes, and the gospel accorded to Mark wasn't highly regarded in those times. So reference to it seems to be to further diminish Marcion's gospel and theology.