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by Peter Kirby
Thu Oct 10, 2013 4:23 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Hadrian and the Christians
Replies: 10
Views: 21689

Re: Hadrian and the Christians

Let's see if we can turn this thread back around... It sounds like the argument is that the "tranquility" of the second century allowed Christianity to flourish. Certainly doesn't hurt, does it? It also says that the general literary flourishing corresponded with a similar literary flouris...
by Peter Kirby
Thu Oct 10, 2013 3:05 pm
Forum: Jewish Texts and History
Topic: book of enoch
Replies: 16
Views: 39391

Re: book of enoch

Self promotion, but I'll allow it.
by Peter Kirby
Thu Oct 10, 2013 1:40 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why don't the ancient writers date their writings?
Replies: 13
Views: 27790

Re: Why don't the ancient writers date their writings?

... Eusebius himself dated the years from Abraham, the earliest figure that he believed he could assign a date to; but as we all know it was Dionysius Exiguus two centuries later whose AD and BC stuck. All the best, Roger Pearse I have already pointed out that your claim is a known fallacy. Eusebiu...
by Peter Kirby
Thu Oct 10, 2013 1:25 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: evidence for Christianity before the third Roman Jewish conflict
Replies: 106
Views: 110973

Re: Hadrian and the Christians

There is no evidence for the existence of any Christian writings or beliefs, prior to the conclusion of the third Roman Jewish conflict, No, you're wrong. There is Tacitus, Suetonius, and Pliny the Younger, all writing before the Bar Kokhba conflict, which would attest to the existence of Christian...
by Peter Kirby
Thu Oct 10, 2013 1:22 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: new nonsense from Joe Atwill
Replies: 14
Views: 32632

Re: new nonsense from Joe Atwill

Just because someone is wrong does not mean that they may not be useful to us all. It is those who discourage interest that do the real harm, not the over-enthusiastic fringe people. That's an interesting way to look at it. There are certainly people that are drawn deeper into the subject, and I gu...
by Peter Kirby
Thu Oct 10, 2013 1:14 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: evidence for Christianity before the third Roman Jewish conflict
Replies: 106
Views: 110973

Re: Christianity in Jewish literature

The theory of the fourth century construction of Christianity is something like the construction of a few decades worth of analysis of the Cuban missile crisis, without any Cubans or nuclear missiles or cold war. (The post-135 origin of Christianity, which I now see is Avi's preference, is not nearl...
by Peter Kirby
Thu Oct 10, 2013 1:10 pm
Forum: Jewish Texts and History
Topic: What started Judaism?
Replies: 18
Views: 27602

Re: What started Judaism?

Yes, I don't know of any serious argument that there was a historical Exodus. This is fairly well-known, of course, and not exactly new.
by Peter Kirby
Thu Oct 10, 2013 1:05 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: an example of the kind of thing to avoid
Replies: 15
Views: 33352

Re: an example of the kind of thing to avoid

Word substitution is not an argument. A similar canard could be constructed by someone who favored the historicity of Jesus, with just a different change in name.
by Peter Kirby
Thu Oct 10, 2013 11:58 am
Forum: Jewish Texts and History
Topic: book of enoch
Replies: 16
Views: 39391

Re: book of enoch

Jews wrote Enoch. Guy writes book. Jesus sells books.

... so, Jesus and the Book of Enoch.

Do I win something?