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by Ken Olson
Fri Jun 02, 2023 10:01 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Enough of "Textual Criticism"! What Do People Imagine Marcionism Looked Like If You Visited Their Synagogues?
Replies: 121
Views: 8650

Re: Enough of "Textual Criticism"! What Do People Imagine Marcionism Looked Like If You Visited Their Synagogues?

I have been willing to evaluate the arguments for the priority of the Evangelion, to Luke or to all the Synoptics, that are based on the presumption that Tertullian and Epiphanius give us accurate information about the text of the Evangelion, and that presumption could plausibly be wrong. If it is ...
by Ken Olson
Fri Jun 02, 2023 4:28 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Enough of "Textual Criticism"! What Do People Imagine Marcionism Looked Like If You Visited Their Synagogues?
Replies: 121
Views: 8650

Re: Enough of "Textual Criticism"! What Do People Imagine Marcionism Looked Like If You Visited Their Synagogues?

(twice mentioned by the Marcionite Marcus in Adamantius) De recta in deum fide XV: "This is what the Judaists wrote the (version): 'I have not come to abolish the law but to fulfill (it).' But Christ did not speak in this way; he said rather: 'I have not come to fulfill the law but to abolish ...
by Ken Olson
Thu Jun 01, 2023 11:48 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Enough of "Textual Criticism"! What Do People Imagine Marcionism Looked Like If You Visited Their Synagogues?
Replies: 121
Views: 8650

Re: Enough of "Textual Criticism"! What Do People Imagine Marcionism Looked Like If You Visited Their Synagogues?

(twice mentioned by the Marcionite Marcus in Adamantius) De recta in deum fide XV: "This is what the Judaists wrote the (version): 'I have not come to abolish the law but to fulfill (it).' But Christ did not speak in this way; he said rather: 'I have not come to fulfill the law but to abolish ...
by Ken Olson
Thu Jun 01, 2023 11:20 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The anomaly of a Pilate who introduces bluntly the politics in a religious trial in Mark
Replies: 15
Views: 1419

Re: The anomaly of a Pilate who introduces bluntly the politics in a religious trial in Mark

My point is that there is already a rationale for why 'Pilate's question about Jesus' messiahship addresses only the final point, which Jesus simply affirms ...without disturbing the presumed Pilate's indifference about religious questions: If one is a King, then why should he pay the taxes? An aff...
by Ken Olson
Thu Jun 01, 2023 10:27 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The anomaly of a Pilate who introduces bluntly the politics in a religious trial in Mark
Replies: 15
Views: 1419

Re: The anomaly of a Pilate who introduces bluntly the politics in a religious trial in Mark

Frankly, Ken, I don't think that "are you the Christ?" is a religious accusation in *Ev. ...and says that he was himself the Christ, a king . But Pilate asked him, saying, "Are you the Christ?" And he answered, saying, "You say it". Pilate was asking Jesus in what matt...
by Ken Olson
Thu Jun 01, 2023 4:06 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: No "Descending" - The Myth About Marcion's Incipit
Replies: 140
Views: 8862

Re: No "Descending" - The Myth About Marcion's Incipit

Ken, Apparently, just holding the opinion that there may have been a flesh and blood Jesus who served as a nucleus around whom the legend of Jesus accreted, makes one an "apologist." Joe Wallack used to call me that too, for similar reasons. Just let it roll over you like water off of a d...
by Ken Olson
Thu Jun 01, 2023 1:05 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Klinghardt on ‘abolishing the Law & Prophets’
Replies: 88
Views: 7423

Re: Klinghardt on ‘abolishing the Law & Prophets’

I agree. Klinghardt frequently frames questions about readings as false dichotomies, positing them as a strict choice between them being Marcion's own redaction of Luke or in the Evangelion before Marcion and therefore pre-Lukan and the original reading of the gospels, as though those choices exhau...
by Ken Olson
Thu Jun 01, 2023 12:49 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The anomaly of a Pilate who introduces bluntly the politics in a religious trial in Mark
Replies: 15
Views: 1419

Re: The anomaly of a Pilate who introduces bluntly the politics in a religious trial in Mark

In Mark the Pilate's question "are you the king of the Jews?" is not justified at all on the ground of a previous knowledge by Pilate about the political accusations addressed against Jesus. Who has informed Pilate that the accusation was political? The previous trial before the Sineditre...
by Ken Olson
Thu Jun 01, 2023 10:05 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Klinghardt on ‘abolishing the Law & Prophets’
Replies: 88
Views: 7423

Re: Klinghardt on ‘abolishing the Law & Prophets’

Marcion: (Trt/Ep/Ephrm): this is my beloved son Mark: this is my beloved son Matthew: this is my beloved son, with whom I am well-pleased Nestle-Aland Luke: this is my son, my chosen Many variants of Luke: this is my beloved son See a critical apparatus for the details. So, was *Ev “harmonized” wit...
by Ken Olson
Thu Jun 01, 2023 9:48 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Klinghardt on ‘abolishing the Law & Prophets’
Replies: 88
Views: 7423

Re: Klinghardt on ‘abolishing the Law & Prophets’

Klinghardt says that Mark would have removed the trial before Herod to prevent the Marcionite accusation against a Jewish king as evil killer of Jesus (Pilate alone being left as the innocent killer of Jesus). There would be also simmetry between the Good Thief and Pilate, and the Evil Thief and He...