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by Peter Kirby
Tue Mar 26, 2024 2:16 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Date of Marcion
Replies: 14
Views: 269

Re: The Date of Marcion

Tertullian wrote in "The Prescription against Heretics": http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/tertullian11.html Where was Marcion then, that shipmaster of Pontus, the zealous student of Stoicism? Where was Valentinus then, the disciple of Platonism? For it is evident that those men ...
by Peter Kirby
Tue Mar 26, 2024 1:42 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Any pre-325 CE writings where Jesus' historicity was doubted?
Replies: 33
Views: 561

Re: Any pre-325 CE writings where Jesus' historicity was doubted?

Again in this case, most of the comment exploring the interpretation also came from me at the time. Likewise, it can be discussed, but I don't know if I would defend what I wrote then. Yes, there are no doubt there are texts that people can point to (which they have done in this thread) where the i...
by Peter Kirby
Tue Mar 26, 2024 12:19 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Any pre-325 CE writings where Jesus' historicity was doubted?
Replies: 33
Views: 561

Re: Any pre-325 CE writings where Jesus' historicity was doubted?

rgprice wrote: Tue Mar 26, 2024 12:17 pm @Peter I'm not sure why you didn't move your own post above to the other thread...
I'm not sure what's unclear.

This thread is for exploring whether we have the examples that GakuseiDon mentions in the OP.
by Peter Kirby
Tue Mar 26, 2024 11:40 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: What is implied if Jesus' historicity was not doubted?
Replies: 17
Views: 304

Re: What is implied if Jesus' historicity was not doubted?

A possible exception to this rule is Orpheus, whom apparently Aristotle supposedly doubted existed. In On the Nature of the Gods , Cicero stated that Aristotle claimed Orpheus never existed at all, though such a position is not found in the extant works of Aristotle. Aristotle tells us that there n...
by Peter Kirby
Tue Mar 26, 2024 11:30 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: What is implied if Jesus' historicity was not doubted?
Replies: 17
Views: 304

Re: Any pre-325 CE writings where Jesus' historicity was doubted?

I would just add, likewise, that even without such biases in the documentary record, we also don't find examples of people claiming that the Sibyls never existed either, or really hundreds or thousands of figures which it is ow widely assumed, never existed. It's relevant to mention in this context...
by Peter Kirby
Tue Mar 26, 2024 11:27 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Date of Marcion
Replies: 14
Views: 269

Re: The Date of Marcion

Peter Kirby wrote: Sun Mar 24, 2024 1:11 pm
billd89 wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 6:46 pm The Epistle of the Apostles written about 160 AD would establish the personage as historical
On further reflection, this is a fair point.
This reference to Cerinthus together alongside Simon, "the false apostles," could indicate in favor of an early date for him.
by Peter Kirby
Tue Mar 26, 2024 11:22 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Date of Marcion
Replies: 14
Views: 269

Re: The Date of Marcion

When do we date Marcion? Which of the reports of the events of his life, which come to us through hostile patristic authors, are reasonably accurate and when did they take place? I once wrote this. I realize this isn't a direct response to the question of whether Marcion was behind everything, but ...
by Peter Kirby
Tue Mar 26, 2024 11:13 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Any pre-325 CE writings where Jesus' historicity was doubted?
Replies: 33
Views: 561

Re: Any pre-325 CE writings where Jesus' historicity was doubted?

Leaving Giuseppe's example aside, are there any examples of texts expressing doubt of the historicity of Jesus I doubt that there are any such examples. But I can mention a couple places where the discussion has cropped up before. how mythicists are judged Here, Irish1975 provided a translation of ...