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by John2
Fri May 05, 2017 5:57 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Jerusalem Church after 70 CE
Replies: 170
Views: 99409

Re: The Jerusalem Church after 70 CE

This situation seems similar to the Jerusalem Talmud, which, as Wikipedia says: Naming this version of the Talmud after Palestine or Land of Israel rather than Jerusalem is considered more accurate by some because, while the work was certainly composed in "the West" (as seen from Babylonia...
by John2
Fri May 05, 2017 5:41 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Jerusalem Church after 70 CE
Replies: 170
Views: 99409

The Jerusalem Church after 70 CE

I have some free time at work and found myself writing to Ben about the meaning of a couple of Greek words that Hegesippus uses and it seems to have led to the larger question of the location of "the Jerusalem church" after 70 CE so I thought I'd make it a thread. I've been pondering Heges...
by John2
Thu May 04, 2017 11:08 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Dating of Hebrews after the 70 CE?
Replies: 33
Views: 16936

Re: Dating of Hebrews after the 70 CE?

MrMacSon wrote: While it is often asserted that Jerusalem was 'utterly destroyed' or 'razed to the ground', and thus remained uninhabited, there is no real proof of this. I'm not suggesting that Jerusalem was uninhabited, only that according to Josephus the only things that remained from pre-70 CE J...
by John2
Wed May 03, 2017 6:46 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Dating of Hebrews after the 70 CE?
Replies: 33
Views: 16936

Re: Dating of Hebrews after the 70 CE?

Michael BG wrote: Can you quote from other accounts that state that Jerusalem existed when Hadrian founded Aelia Capitolina? MrMacSon wrote: See viewtopic.php?p=59098#p59098 especially ... the foundation of the Roman city [Aelia Capitolina] predated the Second Jewish Revolt against the Romans (the ...
by John2
Wed May 03, 2017 4:14 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Dating of Hebrews after the 70 CE?
Replies: 33
Views: 16936

Re: Dating of Hebrews after the 70 CE?

MrMacSon asked: How much was Jerusalem really destroyed ~70 ad ?? In addition to Dio Cassius (as Michael BG noted), Josephus also says that except for three towers and the wall on the western side of the city, Jerusalem was otherwise razed to the ground in War 7.1.1. Caesar gave orders that they sho...
by John2
Mon Apr 24, 2017 11:24 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Jesus and Joshua.
Replies: 57
Views: 39261

Re: Jesus and Joshua.

Steven Avery wrote: Thanks John, for this, and linking to my post on the b-hebrew forum. I actually think there are elements there that may need tweaking, that is quite an early article. And also now Nehemia is doing much more with the Masoretic Text manuscripts. Plus he explains how yahweh is not j...
by John2
Mon Apr 24, 2017 8:52 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Is the name ''Pillars'' a late interpolation in Galatians?
Replies: 6
Views: 3149

Re: Is the name ''Pillars'' a late interpolation in Galatian

Everyone's favorite scholar Eisenman argues that Paul's reference to James, Cephas and John as pillars could be connected to the idea that a Zaddik/Righteous One is a "pillar of the world," e.g., Hag. 12b: And the Rabbis say: The earth stands on twelve pillars, as it is stated: “He set the...
by John2
Mon Apr 24, 2017 8:34 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Jesus and Joshua.
Replies: 57
Views: 39261

Re: Jesus and Joshua.

I can see the Hebrew and Martinez's translation on pages 356-357 here, if that helps.

https://books.google.com/books?id=6RfYx ... ez&f=false
by John2
Mon Apr 24, 2017 8:24 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Jesus and Joshua.
Replies: 57
Views: 39261

Re: Jesus and Joshua.

No, it's hard to find online. I have it at home (Vermes) and I've seen it in books online but I don't remember where. I didn't notice that Kraft link but I'm checking it out now. Here it is: It might also prove interesting to test the possibility of such a Joshua/Jesus messianology hovering somewher...
by John2
Mon Apr 24, 2017 8:01 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: What makes a writing "Fiction" versus "History"?
Replies: 299
Views: 171082

Re: What makes a writing "Fiction" versus "History"?

I gave a link in another thread to my all time favorite Christian origins website which has a page that discusses this issue. Matthew" claims to know stuff he could not possibly have known. "Matthew" says things happened that could not possibly have happened. "Matthew" made ...