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A) A docetic Jesus, such as Marcion's, still is a Jesus who appears on earth in the appearance of a real earthly man, except that his flesh was not human, and not even considered "flesh". B) Which Docetists or Heretics in ancient times can be proven to state Jesus never came (and lived) on...

to jiri,

Actually, the interpolator would be substituting the ethnarch of Aretas for the Jews, not the other way around.

That's what I meant to say. I should have checked on how to use "substitute". Excuse my French, but you are right.
Cordially, Bernard

Bernard Muller wrote:
But if you contend 2 Cor 11:32 is not an interpolation and that king is actually Aretas III, you have a huge problem to solve for yourself.

And that huge problem would be...?

Paul would have lived in the 1st century BC.
Cordially, Bernard

Besides the caravan route north went straight through the territory of Philip the Tetrarch (Batanea, Auranitis, Trachonitis, Ituria (of Zenodorus), AJ 17.319). How do you know these territories were cutting Aretas IV caravan trail towards Damascus? Right after Trajan's conquest of the Nabataean kin...

2 Cor 11:32 simply doesn't say any such thing. The only people who talk about Aretas IV are modern day pundits who make things up. 2 Cor 11:32 does not say this Aretas is #IV. Sure. But if you contend 2 Cor 11:32 is not an interpolation and that king is actually Aretas III, you have a huge problem ...

2. no evidence for an "ethnarch of the king so-and-so" type

I never said there was evidence for that. I said it is plausible that so-and-so ethnarch existed.

Aretas IV was stuck down in Petra, blocked by the territories of Herod Antipas and Philip Not so. Aretas IV territories extended North to Bosra, a very important Nabatean city. These territories were to the East of Herod Antipas and Philip kingdoms. There are about only 80 kilometers between Bosra ...

1. that there were many ethnarchs in the Empire associated with or appointed by client kings or kings - i.e. that the Alexandrian ethnarch of the Jewish community was associated with King Agrippa in the manner that the ethnarch of Damascus is alleged to have been associated with Aretas or is this j...

historical incident which was 'well known' to everyone in the Empire

What historical incident are you referring to?
Cordially, Bernard