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by MrMacSon
Wed Mar 09, 2016 5:56 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Ehrman's Adoptionist Theory and Christ Mythicism
Replies: 132
Views: 78442

Re: Ehrman's Adoptionist Theory and Christ Mythicism

I found the following on my computer that compares "Jesus Christ" with "Christ Jesus", probably based on the RSV, which follows Nestle-Aland GNT as opposed to the Majority or Byzantine textual reconstructions: .... I subtotaled the relative proportions to illustrate the real dif...
by MrMacSon
Wed Mar 09, 2016 3:12 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Oh, no! Not another thread about Richard Carrier!
Replies: 28
Views: 15651

Re: Oh, no! Not another thread about Richard Carrier!

TedM wrote:...I welcome any discussion between Ben and Bernard ...
I think such a discussion would be interesting as long as Bernard does not revert to linking to his website, and provides his propositions and arguments fully within his posts to such a discussion on this forum.
by MrMacSon
Wed Mar 09, 2016 3:06 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Matthean Priority or Markan Priority?
Replies: 52
Views: 22201

Re: Matthean Priority or Markan Priority?

... the Gospels ...came to be known / associated with the four evangelists, they came to be known that way by the second century, and as far as we know there was never any alternative attribution offered for any of them. Good point. But I wouldn't say that's "a strong and early tradition ...&q...
by MrMacSon
Wed Mar 09, 2016 2:00 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Which is older, the Christ cult or the Jesus cult?
Replies: 18
Views: 11523

Re: Which is older, the Christ cult or the Jesus cult?

Many will come in my name, saying I am Christ, and will deceive many. This commentary notes that 'Christ' in Greek means 'anointed' (well, one version - Χριστός (Christós) - does) - So these false prophets who Jesus is warning about are not saying, "I am Jesus." They are saying what most ...
by MrMacSon
Wed Mar 09, 2016 1:48 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Oh, no! Not another thread about Richard Carrier!
Replies: 28
Views: 15651

Re: Oh, no! Not another thread about Richard Carrier!

outhouse wrote: I like ...a Galilean Aramaic Jew who was taught by John and took over his movement when he was murdered ...
I presume you mean John the Baptist .. with John the Apostle being a different John (+/- other Johns)
by MrMacSon
Wed Mar 09, 2016 1:31 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Which is older, the Christ cult or the Jesus cult?
Replies: 18
Views: 11523

Re: Which is older, the Christ cult or the Jesus cult?

Many will come in my name, saying I am Christ, and will deceive many. Is Jesus saying what we have been conditioned to believe him to be saying here, or is he saying nigh on the opposite? i.e., is he denying that he is the Christ? It's repeated in Matt 24:5, Mark 13:6,, & Luke 21:8. I take it t...
by MrMacSon
Tue Mar 08, 2016 6:49 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Which is older, the Christ cult or the Jesus cult?
Replies: 18
Views: 11523

Re: Which is older, the Christ cult or the Jesus cult?

I believe Jesus was a (the?) leading member of a "Son of Man" cult. The term (בן–אדם - i.e. ben-'adam) occurs 107 times in the Hebrew Bible, mostly in Ezekiel - It is used in three main ways: (i) as a form of address (Ezekiel); (ii) to contrast the lowly status of humanity against the per...
by MrMacSon
Tue Mar 08, 2016 2:44 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Did Marcion originally believe in a flesh and blood Jesus?
Replies: 10
Views: 11768

Re: Did Marcion originally believe in a flesh and blood Jesu

There has been recent commentary that the Evangelikon is not "based on Luke with parts removed", but Luke is based on Marcion's Evangelikon As it stands now however, Luke has primacy. Stands where? By whom? JB Tyson (2006), in 'Marcion and Luke-Acts: a defining struggle ', argues Luke &am...
by MrMacSon
Tue Mar 08, 2016 11:47 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Bart Ehrman's new book: Jesus Before the Gospels
Replies: 121
Views: 66712

Re: Bart Ehrman's new book: Jesus Before the Gospels

From Ehrmans blog which is logic and reason you have never been able to refute, ever. http://ehrmanblog.org/question-about-eyewitnesses-and-the-gospels/ - " ...The eyewitnesses would have been Aramaic speaking peasants almost entirely from rural Galilee. Mark was a highly educated, Greek speak...
by MrMacSon
Tue Mar 08, 2016 11:33 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Did Marcion originally believe in a flesh and blood Jesus?
Replies: 10
Views: 11768

Re: Did Marcion originally believe in a flesh and blood Jesu

What is more probable? I think that the rise of docetism is more expected under the myth, because we have no examples in all the human history where a human being is seen ''docetically'' as lacking flesh and blood. Maybe only Buddha, and Buddha is a myth. Yes, docetism goes hand in hand with concep...