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by MrMacSon
Thu Mar 17, 2016 1:31 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Gospels & Gospel collections in the 3rd Century AD/CE
Replies: 24
Views: 11582

Re: Gospels & Gospel collections in the 3rd Century AD/CE

But why isn't Papias on the list? Yes, he only mentions Mark and Matthew, but actually he is evidence for three or more gospels (Mark, Matthew, and a Hebrew Matthew with more than one translation) and he mentions other people's names in connection with books: "If, then, any one who had attende...
by MrMacSon
Thu Mar 17, 2016 1:01 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Bernard's website: my answer to comments
Replies: 179
Views: 62459

Re: Bernard's website: my answer to comments

Despite the disagreement between scholars (which is the rule in the scholarly world!), I think we can date gMark very precisely: http://historical-jesus.info/41.html Mk 13:2 "And Jesus answered and said to him, "Do you see these great buildings [in Jerusalem]? Not one stone shall be left ...
by MrMacSon
Thu Mar 17, 2016 12:52 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Bernard's website: my answer to comments
Replies: 179
Views: 62459

Re: Bernard's website: my answer to comments

But do you think that there is nothing in the Pauline epistles which refers to a human & earthy Jesus? And if you acknowledge there are items acknowledging a human Jesus, are they interpolations? Or maybe you doubt the existence of Paul and his authorship of most parts of his seven deemed authe...
by MrMacSon
Thu Mar 17, 2016 2:47 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Fernando Bermejo-Rubio, sedition, and Mark.
Replies: 50
Views: 31920

Re: Fernando Bermejo-Rubio, sedition, and Mark.

... the Pauline texts and the Gospel texts are quite different stories; and it's likely they overlap after and because they have been brought together. There many be more than a Pauline or Gospels dichotomy to the genesis of the NT texts too. DCHindley recently posted an interesting grouping of the...
by MrMacSon
Thu Mar 17, 2016 2:32 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Fernando Bermejo-Rubio, sedition, and Mark.
Replies: 50
Views: 31920

Re: Fernando Bermejo-Rubio, sedition, and Mark.

... interpretation [of the Pauline epistles] cannot cancel out the necessity of allowing the gospel story to present a different scenario. Putting all ones eggs in a Pauline basket is not a sensible thing to be doing. Whatever the dating of the gospel material, post Paul or pre Paul, the gospel mat...
by MrMacSon
Thu Mar 17, 2016 2:21 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Fernando Bermejo-Rubio, sedition, and Mark.
Replies: 50
Views: 31920

Re: Fernando Bermejo-Rubio, sedition, and Mark.

... memory theory is being used by the Jesus historicists in a last-ditch attempt to preserve their historicist assumption. As a variation on the propostion it was built on a [ substantial ] 'oral history tradition'? ... memory theory allows for gist memory to have value. By 'gist memory' do you me...
by MrMacSon
Wed Mar 16, 2016 10:51 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Gospels & Gospel collections in the 3rd Century AD/CE
Replies: 24
Views: 11582

Re: Gospels & Gospel collections in the 3rd Century AD/CE

. Charles Wilson has posted an excerpt from Jay Raskin's Christ and Christianities on another thread which includes these comments - To my knowledge, none of the original texts that Eusebius altered have been found in their original state. This would suggest that Eusebius gathered and destroyed all...
by MrMacSon
Wed Mar 16, 2016 10:47 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Gospels & Gospel collections in the 3rd Century AD/CE
Replies: 24
Views: 11582

Re: Gospels & Gospel collections in the 3rd Century AD/CE

It is probably a mistake to look for a Canon, in the modern sense, prior to the 249-251CE https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decian_persecution ; more like an argument over approved books. I agree looking for a Canon is unlikely to yield anything; which is why I said 'collections'. I take your point abo...
by MrMacSon
Wed Mar 16, 2016 4:18 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why Mark and Luke?
Replies: 38
Views: 17641

Re: Why Mark and Luke?

Could the claims of being "traveling companions" or co-travellers be an attempt of preachers, communities, or so, to align themselves with the then new theology? If so, I know of no evidence that the point was taken. I'm not sure what you're saying there - that the point was taken by who ...
by MrMacSon
Wed Mar 16, 2016 4:15 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why Mark and Luke?
Replies: 38
Views: 17641

Re: Why Mark and Luke?

Ben C. Smith wrote: ... That is not his assertion; that is his summary of what he thinks Acts is asserting.
ah, ok. I wondered, but read it that he was agreeing with it.