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- Thu Mar 17, 2016 1:31 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Gospels & Gospel collections in the 3rd Century AD/CE
- Replies: 24
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Re: Gospels & Gospel collections in the 3rd Century AD/CE
But why isn't Papias on the list? Yes, he only mentions Mark and Matthew, but actually he is evidence for three or more gospels (Mark, Matthew, and a Hebrew Matthew with more than one translation) and he mentions other people's names in connection with books: "If, then, any one who had attende...
- Thu Mar 17, 2016 1:01 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Bernard's website: my answer to comments
- Replies: 179
- Views: 62459
Re: Bernard's website: my answer to comments
Despite the disagreement between scholars (which is the rule in the scholarly world!), I think we can date gMark very precisely: http://historical-jesus.info/41.html Mk 13:2 "And Jesus answered and said to him, "Do you see these great buildings [in Jerusalem]? Not one stone shall be left ...
- Thu Mar 17, 2016 12:52 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Bernard's website: my answer to comments
- Replies: 179
- Views: 62459
Re: Bernard's website: my answer to comments
But do you think that there is nothing in the Pauline epistles which refers to a human & earthy Jesus? And if you acknowledge there are items acknowledging a human Jesus, are they interpolations? Or maybe you doubt the existence of Paul and his authorship of most parts of his seven deemed authe...
- Thu Mar 17, 2016 2:47 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Fernando Bermejo-Rubio, sedition, and Mark.
- Replies: 50
- Views: 31920
Re: Fernando Bermejo-Rubio, sedition, and Mark.
... the Pauline texts and the Gospel texts are quite different stories; and it's likely they overlap after and because they have been brought together. There many be more than a Pauline or Gospels dichotomy to the genesis of the NT texts too. DCHindley recently posted an interesting grouping of the...
- Thu Mar 17, 2016 2:32 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Fernando Bermejo-Rubio, sedition, and Mark.
- Replies: 50
- Views: 31920
Re: Fernando Bermejo-Rubio, sedition, and Mark.
... interpretation [of the Pauline epistles] cannot cancel out the necessity of allowing the gospel story to present a different scenario. Putting all ones eggs in a Pauline basket is not a sensible thing to be doing. Whatever the dating of the gospel material, post Paul or pre Paul, the gospel mat...
- Thu Mar 17, 2016 2:21 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Fernando Bermejo-Rubio, sedition, and Mark.
- Replies: 50
- Views: 31920
Re: Fernando Bermejo-Rubio, sedition, and Mark.
... memory theory is being used by the Jesus historicists in a last-ditch attempt to preserve their historicist assumption. As a variation on the propostion it was built on a [ substantial ] 'oral history tradition'? ... memory theory allows for gist memory to have value. By 'gist memory' do you me...
- Wed Mar 16, 2016 10:51 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Gospels & Gospel collections in the 3rd Century AD/CE
- Replies: 24
- Views: 11582
Re: Gospels & Gospel collections in the 3rd Century AD/CE
. Charles Wilson has posted an excerpt from Jay Raskin's Christ and Christianities on another thread which includes these comments - To my knowledge, none of the original texts that Eusebius altered have been found in their original state. This would suggest that Eusebius gathered and destroyed all...
- Wed Mar 16, 2016 10:47 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Gospels & Gospel collections in the 3rd Century AD/CE
- Replies: 24
- Views: 11582
Re: Gospels & Gospel collections in the 3rd Century AD/CE
It is probably a mistake to look for a Canon, in the modern sense, prior to the 249-251CE https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decian_persecution ; more like an argument over approved books. I agree looking for a Canon is unlikely to yield anything; which is why I said 'collections'. I take your point abo...
- Wed Mar 16, 2016 4:18 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Why Mark and Luke?
- Replies: 38
- Views: 17641
Re: Why Mark and Luke?
Could the claims of being "traveling companions" or co-travellers be an attempt of preachers, communities, or so, to align themselves with the then new theology? If so, I know of no evidence that the point was taken. I'm not sure what you're saying there - that the point was taken by who ...
- Wed Mar 16, 2016 4:15 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Why Mark and Luke?
- Replies: 38
- Views: 17641
Re: Why Mark and Luke?
ah, ok. I wondered, but read it that he was agreeing with it.Ben C. Smith wrote: ... That is not his assertion; that is his summary of what he thinks Acts is asserting.