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Origen writes that Jesus is first delivered up by God, to "the prince of this age" and the rest, and "then by them delivered into the hands of men who would slay Him." Origen, Commentary on Matthew , 13.8 As for these matters let us inquire by what person or persons He will be de...

I think earliest belief was a mythological Jesus per Paul's original letters, as explained by Richard Carrier's Jesus from Outer Space. Seems to be the general tenor of the responses. A sign of the times that Marcionites-first is rejected not because of mainstream scholarship, but because it isn't ...

4) That's the $64,000 question. I suspect that originally this was a mystery cult in which these was intentionally nebulous. It is pretty clear that there are three primary actors in the Pauline letters: God the Father, his Son Jesus, and the "Lord of this world". God the Father's Son was...

No the Odes are just not having it. Originally it was the Spirit that came down out of heaven (ding ding, that's what happens in the gospel right?) to humans including Jesus who seem to have been chosen by it, or some such. The Marcionites had a problem to solve and went for the "came down fro...

But to simplify the idea in the OP, the first connection between Marcion and Luke could have been that Marcion called Luke a fake and knew that Luke was a fake because it was recent and a fake. This is the "Marcion shot first" theory.

What I've long thought to be the case, and maybe I've been wrong, was that the relationship between Marcion and Luke was surmised based on comparison. Nothing in the works of Marcion stated explicitly that he knew anything about Luke or that there was any relationship between his Gospel and Luke. M...

It's one thing for Marcion to say 'this was the original, that was an interpolation' when he does not know.

It's another thing if Marcion originated the gospel text and wanted it to be accepted. In that case, transparency is unexpected.

Antitheses = Matthew 5:17 - 44. Look at Irenaeus's statements about Marcion's use of these antitheses. In their Matthean form they are obviously watered down from a Marcionite-like source text. I have a hypothesis here that the Antitheses of Marcion more or less directly took a couple of these from...

Basilides (ca. 130) knew the Gospel of Luke: https://earlywritings.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=169178#p169178 According to Justin, Marcion was alive ca. 150-155 when he was writing. https://earlywritings.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=169152#p169152 And there is Marcion, a man of Pontus, who is even at thi...

And maybe because I said Marcionite studies is bullshit. Yeah I think I have been modest in trying to re-evaluate Tertullian, but the reception would be icy especially among those who have studied the Marcionite stuff the most. It's the single largest source of 'material'. Having full value as a mi...