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by Peter Kirby
Sun Apr 21, 2024 9:13 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Let's help biblical scholars - Paul's letters
Replies: 19
Views: 324

Re: Let's help biblical scholars - Paul's letters

Where were these three fakes added? Colossians + the other seven could have been written by Paul. Things like 2 Cor may have been properly split up at this point. Ephesians could have been written in the first century with access to those 8, and that edition became the archetype (from which all Pau...
by Peter Kirby
Sun Apr 21, 2024 8:45 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: are these supposed to be sound arguments?
Replies: 35
Views: 463

Re: are these supposed to be sound arguments?

The Christ that Harnack sees, looking back through nineteen centuries of Catholic darkness, is only the reflection of a Liberal Protestant face, seen at the bottom of a deep well. (George Tyrrell, Christianity at the Crossroads (London and New York: Longmans, Green and Co, 1909), 44) Not just Harnac...
by Peter Kirby
Sun Apr 21, 2024 8:40 pm
Forum: Classical Texts and History
Topic: The Catamites of Tiberius?
Replies: 9
Views: 295

Re: Whoa, whoa -- easy there, chief.

I am well aware that 'interpolations happen' -- but I 'very much doubt' (to put it politely) those here claiming competency to re-write the NT based on their own hunches* from Sunday School readings the KJV, sorry. *re: Marcionite Conspiracy Theories. Subtext at its finest! Who's the target? Who ca...
by Peter Kirby
Sun Apr 21, 2024 8:35 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Let's help biblical scholars - Paul's letters
Replies: 19
Views: 324

Re: Let's help biblical scholars - Paul's letters

3 possibilities: 1) the earliest collection of Paulines was an epistolary pseudepigraph 2) the earliest collection of Paulines combined one or more letters originally by Paul (and maybe some not) 3) the earliest collection of Pauline letters was arranged by Paul himself At least a couple advantages ...
by Peter Kirby
Sun Apr 21, 2024 2:37 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: are these supposed to be sound arguments?
Replies: 35
Views: 463

Re: are these supposed to be sound arguments?

Smith had been previously searching manuscripts. At Mar Saba he went to catalog books not manuscripts, though not a librarian nor bibliographer? And just happened to find a manuscript in a book near his last day? Coincidence? What are you trying to say? What do you mean by "At Mar Saba he went...
by Peter Kirby
Sun Apr 21, 2024 2:27 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: are these supposed to be sound arguments?
Replies: 35
Views: 463

Re: are these supposed to be sound arguments?

StephenGoranson wrote: Sun Apr 21, 2024 2:26 pm In some degree---cumulatively. If you had a note about Clement, would you note it with Clement or with Ignatius.
So you don't see anything wrong with this argument? Nothing? It passes your critical thinking checks?
by Peter Kirby
Sun Apr 21, 2024 2:24 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: are these supposed to be sound arguments?
Replies: 35
Views: 463

Re: are these supposed to be sound arguments?

"If a monk wanted to record "Clement" why not do it instead in the Clement edition owned in Mar Saba?" I already supported this today. The 1715 two-volume folio edition of Clement attested at Mar Saba would be a much more plausible place to annotate a Clement addition then in a ...
by Peter Kirby
Sun Apr 21, 2024 2:24 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: are these supposed to be sound arguments?
Replies: 35
Views: 463

Re: are these supposed to be sound arguments?

"MS got early liturgy wrong." Wrong for what fit Clement in Egypt. This, supported from, iirc, Robin Jenson (a Columbia grad, I think), and Peter Jeffrey, an early liturgy specialist, and a colleague prof of Smith's at Columbia. How does this support your opinion of the authorship of the ...
by Peter Kirby
Sun Apr 21, 2024 2:23 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: are these supposed to be sound arguments?
Replies: 35
Views: 463

Re: are these supposed to be sound arguments?

StephenGoranson wrote: Sun Apr 21, 2024 2:20 pm Scholem, Nock, Lieberman, Gaster, and at least a couple of his students knew he was capable of this hoax.
What exactly did they "know" and how can we verify that this shows that he was "capable of this hoax"?
by Peter Kirby
Sun Apr 21, 2024 2:10 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: are these supposed to be sound arguments?
Replies: 35
Views: 463

Re: are these supposed to be sound arguments?

And, please, don't deflect.