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- Fri Apr 06, 2018 10:52 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Pilate and Josephus
- Replies: 193
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Re: Pilate and Josephus
Hoehner notes: As mentioned above, Justin Martyr's remark that Pilate, Herod, and the Jews met together against Jesus3 is similar to that of Acts 4: 27 in that he is trying to see every aspect of Psalm 2 fulfilled in the trial of Jesus. This would be true as well for Tertullian,4 and the same can be...
- Fri Apr 06, 2018 10:42 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Pilate and Josephus
- Replies: 193
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Of course it is difficult to understand how Irenaeus could have used Josephus and understood Pilate was still alive during the reign of Claudius. But look at Irenaeus: For Herod the king of the Jews and Pontius Pilate, the governor of Claudius Caesar, came together and condemned Him to be crucified....
- Fri Apr 06, 2018 10:27 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Pilate and Josephus
- Replies: 193
- Views: 136267
Re: Pilate and Josephus
The question is methodology. Scholarship looks at the inherited material from antiquity and says the synoptics are probably correct. But they aren't examining with any critical acumen how we arrived at this package. They're noticing that the synoptics say one thing and John another and siding with t...
- Fri Apr 06, 2018 10:24 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Does Gematria Help Solve the Mystery of the Identity of Chrestos?
- Replies: 2
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Re: Does Gematria Help Solve the Mystery of the Identity of Chrestos?
χρηστός (pronounced 'chreestos' in contemporary Greek)
- Fri Apr 06, 2018 10:21 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Pilate and Josephus
- Replies: 193
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Re: Pilate and Josephus
I hazard to guess what your position is but since you won't articulate it openly I suspect your point is that because Luke is a problem we are free to adopt any belief about the historicity of Jesus. I don't think that's necessarily the best way to proceed. I think we are better off contextualizing ...
- Fri Apr 06, 2018 10:18 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Pilate and Josephus
- Replies: 193
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Re: Pilate and Josephus
I've used Irenaeus and Irenaeus's reporting about Luke and gospels to say 'hey Luke is a questionable source' what is your opinion on the matter? Is Luke a good source? Why is Luke a believable source?
- Fri Apr 06, 2018 10:16 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Pilate and Josephus
- Replies: 193
- Views: 136267
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But what are you implying by this head hitting a wall? Do you think that we should take time to think about Luke before using Luke or not? Do you think the question of Luke as a source is irrelevant? Luke is our only source which says that Jesus was 30 in 15 Tiberius. Surely that's a big deal. How s...
- Fri Apr 06, 2018 10:12 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Pilate and Josephus
- Replies: 193
- Views: 136267
Re: Pilate and Josephus
I know you 'said no such thing.' Not only don't you say such a thing you don't ask any such thing. You want to treat the various sources as colors on your palatte to help pain a new picture of your own creation (like many here at the forum). But you're being led by what Luke is. You're not understan...
- Fri Apr 06, 2018 10:07 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Pilate and Josephus
- Replies: 193
- Views: 136267
Re: Pilate and Josephus
I want you to accept THIS as the starting point for Luke which is unquestionable. This is the starting point of Luke. Plain and simple. Luke is part of a package. It was conceived, distributed and packaged as part of a 4 gospel 'togetherness' where the truth was spread out over the 4. There is no ev...
- Fri Apr 06, 2018 10:06 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Pilate and Josephus
- Replies: 193
- Views: 136267
Re: Pilate and Josephus
I don't want you to buy or sell my ideas. But you're not addressing the question of Luke and it was used. You're saying that Luke can be used as an independent historical witness. But clearly there is no precedent for this. Scholars do this of course because they think that Jesus really lived in a c...