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by Ken Olson
Sun Jul 09, 2023 10:19 am
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: Alan Garrow: Scrolls are so 'last century'
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Re: Alan Garrow: Scrolls are so 'last century'

PS - I have a question posted to Alan Garrow about whether the new thesis is intended to complement or replace the prior one. It seems to me it must be the latter. Alan Garrow's comment from the FB Synoptic Problem Study Group .png https://www.facebook.com/groups/212992206399733/posts/1004905210541...
by Ken Olson
Sat Jul 08, 2023 1:56 pm
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: Alan Garrow: Scrolls are so 'last century'
Replies: 42
Views: 4715

Re: Alan Garrow: Scrolls are so 'last century'

The first thing I'd like to point out is that Garrow's new thesis on ancient author using a 'frame and fill' method seems to conflict with the thesis he previously put forward on 'scroll users' versus 'codex users'. Here is what wrote about Josephus in the 'Frame and Fill' paper (2022): 2. Josephus ...
by Ken Olson
Thu Jul 06, 2023 1:19 pm
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: Alan Garrow: Scrolls are so 'last century'
Replies: 42
Views: 4715

Re: Alan Garrow: Scrolls are so 'last century'

Alan Garrow has also posted the PDF of his recent piece, 'Frame and Fill and Matthew's Use of Luke' from The Synoptic Problem 22 volume edited by Olegs Andrejevs on his blog here: https://www.alangarrow.com/blog/what-would-plutarch-josephus-and-tatian-do I think the argument of the piece is really w...
by Ken Olson
Tue Jul 04, 2023 11:47 am
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: Alan Garrow: Scrolls are so 'last century'
Replies: 42
Views: 4715

Re: Alan Garrow: Scrolls are so 'last century'

Alan Garrow has posted a PDF of his contribution "'Frame and Fill' and Matthew's use of Luke', from the book Synoptic Problem 2022, edited by Olegs Andrejevs et al. (i.e., the volume to which I linked above) to Facebook's Synoptic Problem Study Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/21299220639...
by Ken Olson
Wed Jun 28, 2023 4:31 pm
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: Alan Garrow: Scrolls are so 'last century'
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Views: 4715

Re: Alan Garrow: Scrolls are so 'last century'

Is the claim the Luke keeps to the Markan order and does not change the order of events in Mark true? Let’s look at five cases. 1) Luke omits Mark 6.17-29 about the death of John the Baptist, but he brings forward the first part (Mark 6.17) about John’s arrest to Luke 3.19-20 so that John is arreste...
by Ken Olson
Wed Jun 28, 2023 2:03 pm
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: Alan Garrow: Scrolls are so 'last century'
Replies: 42
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Re: Alan Garrow: Scrolls are so 'last century'

One of the complexities of Lukan composition is the so-called Mark-Q overlaps. These are triple tradition passages in which there are extensive agreements (not just a word or three) between Matthew and Luke against Mark. These would include the Baptism, the Temptation, the Beelzebul Pericope, The Pa...
by Ken Olson
Wed Jun 28, 2023 12:10 pm
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: Alan Garrow: Scrolls are so 'last century'
Replies: 42
Views: 4715

Re: Alan Garrow: Scrolls are so 'last century'

I would recommend James Barker's chapter 'The Use of Sources in Ancient Composition" in the recently published Oxford Handbook of the Synoptic Gospels (2023) edited by Stephen P. Ahearn-Kroll. Barker is not directly trying to answer the question of the distinctive characteristics of scroll user...
by Ken Olson
Wed Jun 28, 2023 11:20 am
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: Alan Garrow: Scrolls are so 'last century'
Replies: 42
Views: 4715

Re: Alan Garrow: Scrolls are so 'last century'

First of all, thank you for this discussion. I am actually learning a lot. I appreciate it. Equally. The Matthean posteriority hypothesis needs a lot fewer things to be true to predict the relevant data of Matthew and Luke: (1) Markan priority (2) Luke is a scroll user (not predicted by 1) (3) Matt...
by Ken Olson
Sun Jun 25, 2023 8:28 pm
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: Alan Garrow: Scrolls are so 'last century'
Replies: 42
Views: 4715

Re: Alan Garrow: Scrolls are so 'last century'

Alan Garrow considers that there are different limitations in the use of scrolls that don't apply with the use of codexes. Garrow considers that scroll users "paraphrase rather than copy verbatim," "rarely change source order," and "switch between sources infrequently"...
by Ken Olson
Sun Jun 25, 2023 6:53 pm
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: Alan Garrow: Scrolls are so 'last century'
Replies: 42
Views: 4715

Re: Alan Garrow: Scrolls are so 'last century'

I was again intending to write a longer post, but I'll see if I can get the point across in a brief one. Garrow borrows one the traditional arguments for the 2DH that posits that it is more likely that Matthew rearranged Luke's order than that Luke rearranged Matthew's order. We can deduce this beca...