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- Sun Feb 02, 2020 4:15 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Was the birth story in Luke/Matthew originally referred to John the Baptist
- Replies: 183
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Re: Was the birth story in Luke/Matthew originally referred to John the Baptist
Obviously the fact itself that Nasruddin (probably a Christian believer) recognized that this was a problem is a sufficient reason to consider/condemn you , Klewis, The evidence is that you deny, differently from Nasruddin, that Mark has a problem with John the Baptist and he attempts to give a nai...
- Sun Jan 26, 2020 11:04 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Was the birth story in Luke/Matthew originally referred to John the Baptist
- Replies: 183
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Re: Was the birth story in Luke/Matthew originally referred to John the Baptist
What I wrote was; - Paul's concern was with living people opposing and annoying him at the time of his preaching . As such, John the Baptist was not relevant. you ignore the fact that "Mark" has already neutralized the threat represented by John the Baptist, by his story . So, before Mark...
- Thu Jan 23, 2020 3:27 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Was the birth story in Luke/Matthew originally referred to John the Baptist
- Replies: 183
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Re: Was the birth story in Luke/Matthew originally referred to John the Baptist
living people opposing and annoying him at the time of his preaching. the same proposition is true if you replace Paul with Mark as the subject of the phrase. Hence, if John the Baptist is clearly a guy who is opposing and annoying the pauline "Mark" (just as the disciples of the Pillars ...
- Wed Jan 22, 2020 3:40 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Was the birth story in Luke/Matthew originally referred to John the Baptist
- Replies: 183
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Re: Was the birth story in Luke/Matthew originally referred to John the Baptist
... Paul would only get his information about any rivalry from those who experienced it (the early disciples of Jesus) There's no evidence of or for this. It could be possible that Paul heard nothing about the rivalry, even if other people knew. Or perhaps he believed that John and Jesus were in ha...
- Wed Jan 22, 2020 3:10 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Was the birth story in Luke/Matthew originally referred to John the Baptist
- Replies: 183
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Re: Was the birth story in Luke/Matthew originally referred to John the Baptist
You don't think it possible that Mark could well have had 'problems' of his own ? Sure. It is just that the point. John the Baptist was entirely a "problem" of his own (= of "Mark"), not of Paul. To the point that Paul did n't have that problem, i.e he did n't know John the Bapt...
- Wed Jan 22, 2020 10:42 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Iraneus and Polycarp
- Replies: 12
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Re: Iraneus and Polycarp
In Against Heresies Book 5 Ch.33.4, Iranaeus also notes; And these things are borne witness to in writing by Papias, the hearer of John, and a companion of Polycarp So Irenaeus was using the writings of Papias, who was a hearer of John. But Polycarp is used as an authoruty. So is Polycarp an importa...
- Wed Jan 22, 2020 10:31 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Was the birth story in Luke/Matthew originally referred to John the Baptist
- Replies: 183
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Re: Was the birth story in Luke/Matthew originally referred to John the Baptist
John was dead, and his rivalry to Jesus and his disciples was old . Paul would only get his information about any rivalry from those who experienced it (the early disciples of Jesus), and not only was it no longer important to the faith, but Paul was in no hurry to view those apostles as a higher a...
- Tue Jan 21, 2020 4:07 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Was the birth story in Luke/Matthew originally referred to John the Baptist
- Replies: 183
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Re: Was the birth story in Luke/Matthew originally referred to John the Baptist
... Paul would only get his information about any rivalry from those who experienced it (the early disciples of Jesus)b... There's no evidence of or for this. It could be possible that Paul heard nothing about the rivalry, even if other people knew. Or perhaps he believed that John and Jesus were i...
- Tue Jan 21, 2020 3:55 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Was the birth story in Luke/Matthew originally referred to John the Baptist
- Replies: 183
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Re: Was the birth story in Luke/Matthew originally referred to John the Baptist
His [Josephus'] audience would have known whether John the Baptist was real or not. His Roman audience? Your query is valid, and I was wrong to imply that Josephus' audience would have had the local or cultural knowledge to be able to check on what Josephus wrote. In his Preface to the Antiquities ...
- Tue Jan 21, 2020 1:14 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Was the birth story in Luke/Matthew originally referred to John the Baptist
- Replies: 183
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Re: Was the birth story in Luke/Matthew originally referred to John the Baptist
My Argument from Silence against John the Baptist in Paul is a Strong Argument from Silence if we agree with the premise: The ambivalence of Christians (Mark, Luke, etc) with John is more expected if the earliest approach of Christians with John was an approach of strong hostility. The problem with...