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by Ken Olson
Mon Dec 05, 2022 10:33 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Julian denies the authenticity of both Testimonium Flavianum and Taciteum
Replies: 65
Views: 3248

Re: Julian denies the authenticity of both Testimonium Flavianum and Taciteum

Here is the quotation of Julian from Cyril of Alexandria's Against Julian, Book 6 (6.31), as given in the recent GCS edition: Kyrill Gegen Julian 452.JPG Kyrill Gegen Julian 453.JPG Kyrill von Alexandrien I, Gegen Julian, Teil 2: Buch 6-10 Und Fragmente, Herausgeben Wolfram Kinzig und Thomas Brügger...
by Ken Olson
Mon Nov 28, 2022 6:20 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Did E.P.Sanders write about mythicism?
Replies: 3
Views: 352

Re: Did E.P.Sanders write about mythicism?

I know that Sanders is adored quasi deo by Christian historicists. Has he released something about mythicism? My impression is that he lived in an universe where not only mythicism is false, but where the same mythicists never existed. No, not that I know of. Have you written anything on covenantal...
by Ken Olson
Sun Nov 27, 2022 4:34 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: R.I.P. Ed Parish Sanders (1937-2022)
Replies: 4
Views: 543

R.I.P. Ed Parish Sanders (1937-2022)

I haven't seen this from any official news sources yet, but word is Ed Parish Sanders died yesterday (November 26, 2022). He is best known for introducing The New Perspective on Paul (a term coined by James Dunn that Sanders did not himself use). He was arguably the most important New Testament scho...
by Ken Olson
Mon Nov 21, 2022 9:43 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Julian denies the authenticity of both Testimonium Flavianum and Taciteum
Replies: 65
Views: 3248

Re: Julian denies the authenticity of both Testimonium Flavianum and Taciteum

I'm not sure this is relevant, but, in case: "Gegen Julian". Teil 2, Buch 6-10 und Fragmente / Cyril, Saint Patriarch of Alexandria; Wolfram Kinzig; Thomas Brüggemann; Gerlinde Huber-Rebenich; Stefan Rebenich; Christoph Riedweg; Adolf Martin Ritter; Markus Vinzent; Hubert Kaufhold 2017 Gr...
by Ken Olson
Mon Nov 21, 2022 9:10 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Julian denies the authenticity of both Testimonium Flavianum and Taciteum
Replies: 65
Views: 3248

Re: Julian denies the authenticity of both Testimonium Flavianum and Taciteum

The English translation of Julian I posted earlier is by (Emily) Wilmer Cave Wright in the third volume of the Loeb Classics edition of the works of Julian, which is in the public domain and downloadable here (volume L157): http://ancientworldonline.blogspot.com/2012/06/loebolus-loebs.html In her in...
by Ken Olson
Sun Nov 20, 2022 1:23 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Julian denies the authenticity of both Testimonium Flavianum and Taciteum
Replies: 65
Views: 3248

Re: Julian denies the authenticity of both Testimonium Flavianum and Taciteum

The passage attributed to Julian The reason for this is that they never even hoped that you would one day attain to such power as you have; for they were content if they could delude maidservants and slaves, and through them the women, and men like Cornelius and Sergius. But if you can show me that...
by Ken Olson
Sun Nov 20, 2022 4:09 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Julian denies the authenticity of both Testimonium Flavianum and Taciteum
Replies: 65
Views: 3248

Re: Julian denies the authenticity of both Testimonium Flavianum and Taciteum

Cyril could have quoted it from the HE. Unless he didn't believe Eusebius when he said that Josephus wrote it. or: unless he (=Cyril) conceded that he couldn't persuade Julian by quoting the Testimonium Flavianum , because he knew (by logical inference from the same Julian's assertion) that Julian ...
by Ken Olson
Sun Nov 20, 2022 3:51 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Julian denies the authenticity of both Testimonium Flavianum and Taciteum
Replies: 65
Views: 3248

Re: Julian denies the authenticity of both Testimonium Flavianum and Taciteum

No, that's a different point. Justin's Trypho's point was that Christ hadn't come, or was unknown even to himself, since Elijah hadn't come to announce him. do you think that the Trypho's point was so different from Julian's point that the former didn't require, as answer by Justin, the mention of ...
by Ken Olson
Sat Nov 19, 2022 2:31 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Julian denies the authenticity of both Testimonium Flavianum and Taciteum
Replies: 65
Views: 3248

Re: Julian denies the authenticity of both Testimonium Flavianum and Taciteum

Giuseppe, Is what you're saying that the Testimonium Flavianum, or an earlier form of it, could have existed before Eusebius, and before Tacitus, and been passed over in silence until Eusebius' time because even Julian and Cyril, who were writing at a time when it definitely existed, also passed ove...
by Ken Olson
Sat Nov 19, 2022 2:04 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Julian denies the authenticity of both Testimonium Flavianum and Taciteum
Replies: 65
Views: 3248

Re: Julian denies the authenticity of both Testimonium Flavianum and Taciteum

Giuseppe,

If we take the English translation of Julian I posted as the basis for discussion, what is your argument (premises, conclusion, etc.)?