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- Mon Dec 05, 2022 10:33 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Julian denies the authenticity of both Testimonium Flavianum and Taciteum
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Re: Julian denies the authenticity of both Testimonium Flavianum and Taciteum
Here is the quotation of Julian from Cyril of Alexandria's Against Julian, Book 6 (6.31), as given in the recent GCS edition: Kyrill Gegen Julian 452.JPG Kyrill Gegen Julian 453.JPG Kyrill von Alexandrien I, Gegen Julian, Teil 2: Buch 6-10 Und Fragmente, Herausgeben Wolfram Kinzig und Thomas Brügger...
- Mon Nov 28, 2022 6:20 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Did E.P.Sanders write about mythicism?
- Replies: 3
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Re: Did E.P.Sanders write about mythicism?
I know that Sanders is adored quasi deo by Christian historicists. Has he released something about mythicism? My impression is that he lived in an universe where not only mythicism is false, but where the same mythicists never existed. No, not that I know of. Have you written anything on covenantal...
- Sun Nov 27, 2022 4:34 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: R.I.P. Ed Parish Sanders (1937-2022)
- Replies: 4
- Views: 543
R.I.P. Ed Parish Sanders (1937-2022)
I haven't seen this from any official news sources yet, but word is Ed Parish Sanders died yesterday (November 26, 2022). He is best known for introducing The New Perspective on Paul (a term coined by James Dunn that Sanders did not himself use). He was arguably the most important New Testament scho...
- Mon Nov 21, 2022 9:43 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Julian denies the authenticity of both Testimonium Flavianum and Taciteum
- Replies: 65
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Re: Julian denies the authenticity of both Testimonium Flavianum and Taciteum
I'm not sure this is relevant, but, in case: "Gegen Julian". Teil 2, Buch 6-10 und Fragmente / Cyril, Saint Patriarch of Alexandria; Wolfram Kinzig; Thomas Brüggemann; Gerlinde Huber-Rebenich; Stefan Rebenich; Christoph Riedweg; Adolf Martin Ritter; Markus Vinzent; Hubert Kaufhold 2017 Gr...
- Mon Nov 21, 2022 9:10 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Julian denies the authenticity of both Testimonium Flavianum and Taciteum
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Re: Julian denies the authenticity of both Testimonium Flavianum and Taciteum
The English translation of Julian I posted earlier is by (Emily) Wilmer Cave Wright in the third volume of the Loeb Classics edition of the works of Julian, which is in the public domain and downloadable here (volume L157): http://ancientworldonline.blogspot.com/2012/06/loebolus-loebs.html In her in...
- Sun Nov 20, 2022 1:23 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Julian denies the authenticity of both Testimonium Flavianum and Taciteum
- Replies: 65
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Re: Julian denies the authenticity of both Testimonium Flavianum and Taciteum
The passage attributed to Julian The reason for this is that they never even hoped that you would one day attain to such power as you have; for they were content if they could delude maidservants and slaves, and through them the women, and men like Cornelius and Sergius. But if you can show me that...
- Sun Nov 20, 2022 4:09 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Julian denies the authenticity of both Testimonium Flavianum and Taciteum
- Replies: 65
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Re: Julian denies the authenticity of both Testimonium Flavianum and Taciteum
Cyril could have quoted it from the HE. Unless he didn't believe Eusebius when he said that Josephus wrote it. or: unless he (=Cyril) conceded that he couldn't persuade Julian by quoting the Testimonium Flavianum , because he knew (by logical inference from the same Julian's assertion) that Julian ...
- Sun Nov 20, 2022 3:51 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Julian denies the authenticity of both Testimonium Flavianum and Taciteum
- Replies: 65
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Re: Julian denies the authenticity of both Testimonium Flavianum and Taciteum
No, that's a different point. Justin's Trypho's point was that Christ hadn't come, or was unknown even to himself, since Elijah hadn't come to announce him. do you think that the Trypho's point was so different from Julian's point that the former didn't require, as answer by Justin, the mention of ...
- Sat Nov 19, 2022 2:31 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Julian denies the authenticity of both Testimonium Flavianum and Taciteum
- Replies: 65
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Re: Julian denies the authenticity of both Testimonium Flavianum and Taciteum
Giuseppe, Is what you're saying that the Testimonium Flavianum, or an earlier form of it, could have existed before Eusebius, and before Tacitus, and been passed over in silence until Eusebius' time because even Julian and Cyril, who were writing at a time when it definitely existed, also passed ove...
- Sat Nov 19, 2022 2:04 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Julian denies the authenticity of both Testimonium Flavianum and Taciteum
- Replies: 65
- Views: 3248
Re: Julian denies the authenticity of both Testimonium Flavianum and Taciteum
Giuseppe,
If we take the English translation of Julian I posted as the basis for discussion, what is your argument (premises, conclusion, etc.)?
If we take the English translation of Julian I posted as the basis for discussion, what is your argument (premises, conclusion, etc.)?