Search found 18565 matches
- Mon Sep 11, 2017 2:42 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: How Do Luke and John Know About Mary and Martha?
- Replies: 37
- Views: 17552
Re: How Do Luke and John Know About Mary and Martha?
Let me reframe your question for people who like Marcion. Tertullian and later rescensions of Irenaeus's Adversus Haereses claim that Marcion falsified Luke. Fine. That's an argument. That's not a fact. But pretending that the gospel of Marcion was a version of Luke keeps everyone speaking about 'Lu...
- Mon Sep 11, 2017 2:32 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: How Do Luke and John Know About Mary and Martha?
- Replies: 37
- Views: 17552
Re: How Do Luke and John Know About Mary and Martha?
I guess another way of saying it is: 1. Clement never says in QDS he is citing from Luke 2. it makes little sense to think that he is arguing from Luke without explicitly citing Luke as he is arguing up until that point from an explicit comparison or reconciliation of gospels he calls 'Mark' and 'Ma...
- Mon Sep 11, 2017 2:23 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: How Do Luke and John Know About Mary and Martha?
- Replies: 37
- Views: 17552
Re: How Do Luke and John Know About Mary and Martha?
Ummm. Do you realize how ridiculous this sounds? 'We can't accept your position because you haven't told us what your position is ...' Isn't it possible that someone carrying out research DOESN'T ACTUALLY HAVE A 'POSITION' but rather just presents little pieces of evidence which help discount or min...
- Mon Sep 11, 2017 11:22 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: How Do Luke and John Know About Mary and Martha?
- Replies: 37
- Views: 17552
Re: How Do Luke and John Know About Mary and Martha?
Another angle to investigate is the fact that 'marta' = lady, mistress in Aramaic (the feminine form of מר). What gospel would have made reference to an Aramaic title like that?
- Sun Sep 10, 2017 8:57 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: The Gospels as Plagiarism
- Replies: 1
- Views: 1771
- Sun Sep 10, 2017 2:01 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: How Do Luke and John Know About Mary and Martha?
- Replies: 37
- Views: 17552
Re: How Do Luke and John Know About Mary and Martha?
On this 'Alexandrian Matthew': Origen says that Basilides wrote a Gospel (HomLk 1.2). Exactly what this may have been is unknown. The passages cited below show that he made use of Matthew's Gospel. Others have seen evidence of Luke's parable of the rich man and Lazarus (Lk 16:19–31) in a fragment pr...
- Sun Sep 10, 2017 1:33 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: How Do Luke and John Know About Mary and Martha?
- Replies: 37
- Views: 17552
Re: How Do Luke and John Know About Mary and Martha?
Some other anomalies. Apparently Clement thinks Paul wrote a gospel "for, according to the apostle, "the law was given by Moses, grace and truth came by Jesus Christ." (QDS 8)
- Sun Sep 10, 2017 1:24 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: I Think Clement's Argument in QDS is Starting to Make Sense to Me
- Replies: 24
- Views: 10578
Re: I Think Clement's Argument in QDS is Starting to Make Sense to Me
His text of Mark was a 'harmonized' text (or conversely our canonical text was stripped of various readings 'ghettoized' in the Four).
- Sun Sep 10, 2017 10:17 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: How Do Luke and John Know About Mary and Martha?
- Replies: 37
- Views: 17552
Re: How Do Luke and John Know About Mary and Martha?
And not surprisingly the Arabic Diatessaron and other 'harmonies' manifest the exact pattern that we see in QDS's 'other gospel': And when the multitudes heard, they were wondering at his teaching. And some of the scribes answered and said unto him, Teacher, thou hast well said. But the rest of the ...
- Sun Sep 10, 2017 8:34 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: How Do Luke and John Know About Mary and Martha?
- Replies: 37
- Views: 17552
Re: How Do Luke and John Know About Mary and Martha?
Now we need to map the section above on the actual text to see if in fact there is evidence that Clement is citing from our 'gospel of Luke'. Chapter 27 is still about 'what appears in Matthew' - a subject which Origen, Clement's adversary, seems equally fixated on. The question is why does Matthew ...