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- Fri Oct 11, 2013 7:42 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: evidence for Christianity before the third Roman Jewish conflict
- Replies: 106
- Views: 111075
Re: Hadrian and the Christians
There is no evidence for the existence of any Christian writings or beliefs, prior to the conclusion of the third Roman Jewish conflict, No, you're wrong. There is Tacitus, Suetonius, and Pliny the Younger, all writing before the Bar Kokhba conflict, which would attest to the existence of Christian...
- Fri Oct 11, 2013 7:26 am
- Forum: Jewish Texts and History
- Topic: Jewish DNA
- Replies: 2
- Views: 11054
Re: Jewish DNA
http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=15;t=008539 Interesting to observe the arguments and changes in opinion, as new data emerged, about Otzi, the 5000 year old hunter from the Italian Alps. Initially, based on MtDNA (100% maternal), it was claimed that he belonged to non...
- Thu Oct 10, 2013 10:50 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: evidence for Christianity before the third Roman Jewish conflict
- Replies: 106
- Views: 111075
Re: Hadrian and the Christians
There is no evidence for the existence of any Christian writings or beliefs, prior to the conclusion of the third Roman Jewish conflict (= Constantine) This is a deliberate misquotation. Look again. I wrote nothing about Lord Constantine. I certainly have NEVER equated the terminus of the third Rom...
- Thu Oct 10, 2013 10:10 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: evidence for Christianity before the third Roman Jewish conflict
- Replies: 106
- Views: 111075
Re: Christianity in Jewish literature
But how did the second century Jewish source of Celsus get it wrong? He wrote a book against Christianity less than a hundred years after the first gospels were published. He cites Matthew at length and had access to good sources. NOPE. The Greek author, Celsus, is cited by Origen. There is no exta...
- Thu Oct 10, 2013 10:04 am
- Forum: Jewish Texts and History
- Topic: Christianity in Jewish literature
- Replies: 20
- Views: 31721
Re: Christianity in Jewish literature
See Tosefta Hullin 2:22-23 (Jacob of Kefer Sama offers to cure Eleazar b. Damah in the name of Jesus ben Pantera) and 2:24 (R Eliezer is arrested for association with Jacob of Kefer Sikhnin a disciple of Jesus ben Pantera.) IMO Jesus ben Pantera is the Jesus of the NT although some have doubted thi...
- Thu Oct 10, 2013 9:14 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: evidence for Christianity before the third Roman Jewish conflict
- Replies: 106
- Views: 111075
evidence for Christianity before the third Roman Jewish conflict
The Second century played a key role in the development of ancient Christianity. From Pliny’s perception of the nova superstitio as separated from its Jewish roots to Celsus’ powerful attack on Christianity under Marcus Aurelius and thereafter, this period saw the wide social diffusion of Christian...
- Thu Oct 10, 2013 8:53 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: an example of the kind of thing to avoid
- Replies: 15
- Views: 33396
Re: an example of the kind of thing to avoid
The passionate debates about Jesus' existence transparently serve only one purpose: to badmouth or deride the opposite belief. It should be apparent to an informed person that with what we really know both scenarios are plainly possible and that we cannot say conclusively, yeah or nay. May I inquir...
- Mon Oct 07, 2013 2:59 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Ehrman's latest book: Forgery and Counterforgery
- Replies: 23
- Views: 54255
Re: Ehrman's latest book: Forgery and Counterforgery
I'm kind of looking forward to this one, and it doesn't sound like the kind of thing that will just be farmed out to grad students. Perhaps I am wrong, Diogenes, but, in my opinion, the main problem with DJE was that Bart did not farm it out to his graduate students. I suspect they would have prote...