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by spin
Mon Jan 31, 2022 5:45 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Back to the Nazareth Issue
Replies: 26
Views: 5113

Some incontrovertible facts about Nazareth

1. Paul doesn't evince any knowledge of Nazareth. Q doesn't evince any knowledge of Nazareth. And the synoptics share no common reference to Nazareth. These simple pointers show that Nazareth was not in the earliest Jesus traditions . (Whereas Capernaum is found in Q and in the Marcan descendents' ...
by spin
Fri Jan 28, 2022 3:25 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why Paul never quotes Jesus
Replies: 172
Views: 33158

Re: Why Paul never quotes Jesus

The subject we were dealing with was the relationship between 1 Cor 11:23b-25 and the last supper accounts in the synoptic gospels!
by spin
Thu Jan 27, 2022 10:01 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why Paul never quotes Jesus
Replies: 172
Views: 33158

Re: Why Paul never quotes Jesus

schillingklaus wrote: Thu Jan 27, 2022 9:55 pm No, there is no dependence ofg the Lukan cena on Mark's but on prior pre-canonical sources. Only Markan priorists hallucinate a dependence of the Lukan cena on the Markan one.
We need evidence, not assertions.
by spin
Thu Jan 27, 2022 4:39 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why Paul never quotes Jesus
Replies: 172
Views: 33158

Re: Why Paul never quotes Jesus

IIUC, spin's claim is that Paul's Last Supper narrative (1 Cor 11:23-26) was inserted into the Pauline corpus by someone who wrote or at least knew the Last Supper narrative of the Gospels (primarily Luke). Paul's ritual meal has been turned into a Last Supper with the close citation from Luke's go...
by spin
Thu Jan 27, 2022 1:10 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The use of κυριος in Paul's letters
Replies: 5
Views: 1630

Re: The use of κυριος in Paul's letters

the confession that Jesus is Lord I confess Pilate is governor. And Caiaphas is high priest. And Jesus is messiah. And Johanan is rabbi. And even the sky is blue. And grass is green. But not Hillary is president. Nor Biden is Trump. Nor Van Damme is governator. I've rewritten the section concerning...
by spin
Wed Jan 26, 2022 4:00 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The use of κυριος in Paul's letters
Replies: 5
Views: 1630

Re: The use of κυριος in Paul's letters

On rereading this stuff after several hours I noticed quite a few things that needed clarification or expansion, so I've made numerous minor changes. Maybe more to come. Hoping the argument is clearer.
by spin
Wed Jan 26, 2022 6:59 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why Paul never quotes Jesus
Replies: 172
Views: 33158

Re: Why Paul never quotes Jesus

I just find it strange that you used " (sayings of) the Lord" suggesting that Paul uses "the Lord" (the Jewish substitute for YHWH) regarding Jesus. A major passage supporting that usage is 1 Cor 11:23ff (the other being 1 Cor 6:14, disrupting the rhetorical structure of its con...
by spin
Wed Jan 26, 2022 6:51 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The use of κυριος in Paul's letters
Replies: 5
Views: 1630

The use of κυριος in Paul's letters

The Lord v. my lord Over the years I have tried without success to convince people to be wary of identifying the "Lord", without qualification, as Jesus in Paul's letters. Despite phrases such as "my lord Jesus Christ", the logic for not identifying Jesus with "the Lord&quo...
by spin
Tue Jan 25, 2022 5:16 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why Paul never quotes Jesus
Replies: 172
Views: 33158

Re: Why Paul never quotes Jesus

I consider it quite plausible (but not completely certain) that the 1 Corinthians 11 passage was interpolated. I also consider it plausible that the author of Mark was familiar with Paul's teaching about a saying of the Lord on divorce. I don't have any certainty myself, though the evidence for the...
by spin
Sun Jan 23, 2022 8:08 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why Paul never quotes Jesus
Replies: 172
Views: 33158

Re: Why Paul never quotes Jesus

Why does Paul never quote Jesus, unambiguously, even in contexts where it would have helped his arguments? 1 Corinthians 7 1 Corinthians 11 Peter, are you saying 1 Cor 7 was cited by the collator of Mk and that 1 Cor 11 has a direct quote from Lk (which was written 50+ years after Paul)? -------- (...