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I think what the rabbis did was tone down the meaning of something they knew was being interpreted messianically by anti-Roman Jews ("mighty one"), in order to save Judaism in the face of reality. But "mighty one" still can have that sense, as the rabbis surely knew (as per Jer....

I think what the rabbis did was tone down the meaning of something they knew was being interpreted messianically by anti-Roman Jews ("mighty one"), in order to save Judaism in the face of reality. But "mighty one" still can have that sense, as the rabbis surely knew (as per Jer. ...

The only difference between the two interpretations is that pro-Roman Jews took Lebanon to mean the Temple and anti-Roman Jews took it to mean the Romans. Both understand אַדִּיר as meaning a king or Messiah and both interpretations were "in the air" at the same time, and if you wanted to ...

Right, but then Bauckham goes on to discuss 2 Baruch and summarizes it on pg. 200: 2 Baruch 36-40 demonstrates that the messianic interpretation of Isaiah 10:34 was not confined to the Qumran community, but must have been more widely known and accepted in the New Testament period. It doesn't matter ...

This is interesting for two closely related reasons. First, like Josephus, Yoḥanan ben Zakkai predicts that Vespasian will become king (emperor). There is no suggestion that he acknowledged Vespasian as the Messiah. Second, he finds scriptural support for his claim in Isaiah 10.34, quoted as 'And t...

Does Josephus say any more than that he foretold that Vespasian would become emperor (i.e., do we need a Messianic interpretation here) ? I still think so. All we can do is speculate, but I feel comfortable with the idea that the "governor of the habitable earth" predicted in the OT that ...

How does that trump Josephus identifying Vespasian as Shiloh? It's incredibly you to suggest Ben over Josephus to understand Josephus. If it works for you, then have at it. Various ideas have been proposed (the Star prophecy is another) and I've thought various things over the years and like Dan. 9...

I can't find Ben's thread, but if memory serves, one piece of evidence that Josephus had Daniel in mind (in addition to the timeline issue) is that he calls Daniel the greatest of the prophets (can't remember where offhand) and in Ant. 10.11.7 he says, "In the very same manner Daniel also wrote...

I'm not a believer, and no one is stopping you from typing all you like about the idea that Josephus used the Shiloh prophecy.

Ben somewhere in the misty past made a better case that Josephus had Dan. 9 in mind, given that Josephus says the world ruler would arise "about that time." Good old Ben. Final word on everything. What's the point of finding new information like the name "VESPASIANUS" = Shilo wh...