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- Sun Sep 20, 2015 3:36 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: The Jesus Wars Go Thermonuclear
- Replies: 272
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Re: The Jesus Wars Go Thermonuclear
to Michael BG, Bernard, I was surprised you didn’t cross examine me on why I thought your posting on Gal 4:22-26 wasn’t clear enough for me. :) (I do not think all your conclusions as you posted here are the most likely, but let us leave them for future discussions.) Actually, I took your comment i...
- Sun Sep 20, 2015 2:49 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Why did Marcion adopt the gospel of Luke?
- Replies: 130
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Re: Why did Marcion adopt the gospel of Luke?
Giuseppe, unfortunately your position seems circular to me and lacking in a logical thread. I feel you wish to rush to conclusions without providing a step by step approach. There is nothing wrong with you rejecting that Paul wrote about a historical Jesus, but to convince me you would need to engag...
- Sun Sep 20, 2015 12:45 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Alternating Marcionite and synoptic priority & posteriority?
- Replies: 130
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Re: Alternating Marcionite and synoptic priority & posterior
With regard to Lk 21:29-33 Is it possible that the whole section is based on Luke or an earlier version that is lost? The Marcion editor may have edited the Luke’s verse 32, or could have been in a lost earlier version? If we accept that Luke used Mark, then to provide a strong case that Marcion use...
- Sun Sep 20, 2015 12:41 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: The Jesus Wars Go Thermonuclear
- Replies: 272
- Views: 126352
Re: The Jesus Wars Go Thermonuclear
Sorry this was a double post, now deleted.
- Sun Sep 20, 2015 12:40 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: The Jesus Wars Go Thermonuclear
- Replies: 272
- Views: 126352
Re: The Jesus Wars Go Thermonuclear
Bernard, I was surprised you didn’t cross examine me on why I thought your posting on Gal 4:22-26 wasn’t clear enough for me. :) (I do not think all your conclusions as you posted here are the most likely, but let us leave them for future discussions.) Ben, I have posted some thoughts on Lk 21:29-33...
- Sat Sep 19, 2015 7:26 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Why did Marcion adopt the gospel of Luke?
- Replies: 130
- Views: 80646
Re: Why did Marcion adopt the gospel of Luke?
The Jews couldn't never crucify Jesus. But they did understand the original message of the first Gospel. … How did the Jews react against this charge from the first Gospel? I think their answer is found in the Talmud. They claimed for themselves the honour of having killed DIRECTLY Jesus and withou...
- Sat Sep 19, 2015 4:34 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Markan priority: an "assured result of modern criticism"?
- Replies: 77
- Views: 36393
Re: Markan priority: an "assured result of modern criticism"
Ben, the quote you provided from Geza Vermes didn’t include any evidence or consideration of the evidence from the Talmud and so wasn’t very convincing. However I found Calba Savua’s blog very convincing.
- Sat Sep 19, 2015 3:17 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: The Jesus Wars Go Thermonuclear
- Replies: 272
- Views: 126352
Re: The Jesus Wars Go Thermonuclear
Ben, please accept my apologies. I don’t know why I was attributing your work to DCHindley. Giuseppe, I hope you don’t mind if I press you a bit. I think we can agree that Paul had a good opinion of himself and therefore where Paul is modest or self-effacing there is always a case to be made for an ...
- Fri Sep 18, 2015 6:57 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Markan priority: an "assured result of modern criticism"?
- Replies: 77
- Views: 36393
Re: Markan priority: an "assured result of modern criticism"
I must admit I had not given any thought to the historicity of the occupation of Jesus or Joseph. I believe that Mark is the older and Matthew used Mark. It seems that Matthew has changed Jesus from being the tekton to being the son of the tekton. Luke has expanded the story with Jesus reading from ...
- Fri Sep 18, 2015 6:24 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: The Jesus Wars Go Thermonuclear
- Replies: 272
- Views: 126352
Re: The Jesus Wars Go Thermonuclear
@ Giuseppe The question really must be which are older the Marcion Pauline epistles or the ones that made it into the Bible? And how do we determine which are older? The argument that Marcion removed the bits he didn’t like is not weaker than the argument that others added them. It seems that you ar...