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by Michael BG
Thu Sep 24, 2015 1:06 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Alternating Marcionite and synoptic priority & posteriority?
Replies: 130
Views: 85141

Re: Alternating Marcionite and synoptic priority & posterior

When you say “does not have to mean” are you saying it can be translated as "then" in the sense of "after"? It can be translated as "then" in the sense of "the next thing". "After" might imply a gap that the Greek word does not necessarily imply. In...
by Michael BG
Wed Sep 23, 2015 6:09 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Jesus Wars Go Thermonuclear
Replies: 272
Views: 126337

Re: The Jesus Wars Go Thermonuclear

Thank you Giuseppe I think you were clear and I have understood. Here I confess to base myself on an unproved premise, because I start from the assumption that Carrier is so honest to assume always as premise the exegesis of the consensus, or of a serious part of it even if a minority. I assume that...
by Michael BG
Wed Sep 23, 2015 5:07 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why did Marcion adopt the gospel of Luke?
Replies: 130
Views: 80635

Re: Why did Marcion adopt the gospel of Luke?

@ Giuseppe In your quote from Origen it seems clear he is quoting Celsus, but in the quotes I provided it is clear Origen is quoting the Jew that Celsus quoted. I find your argument strange, because it was you who pointed out that Celsus was using a Jewish tradition. And I thought we would both agre...
by Michael BG
Wed Sep 23, 2015 4:40 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Alternating Marcionite and synoptic priority & posteriority?
Replies: 130
Views: 85141

Re: Alternating Marcionite and synoptic priority & posterior

With reference to Mark and the Proto-Luke-Marcion, do you concede that as it used Mark, it added “men” and therefore “men” is not an older tradition that the “you” of Mark? No, not at all. I mean, that may very well be the case, but I am not conceding it or committing to it in any way, since it loo...
by Michael BG
Tue Sep 22, 2015 5:48 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why did Marcion adopt the gospel of Luke?
Replies: 130
Views: 80635

Re: Why did Marcion adopt the gospel of Luke?

As my argument goes, the steps are the following: 1) midrash from Josephus insignia episode proves that Pilate was introduced in the first Gospel deliberately to show the Jews as perfidious conspirators acting behind the scenes (and not the contrary: that Jews had to be at any cost ''bad'' to ingra...
by Michael BG
Tue Sep 22, 2015 4:27 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Alternating Marcionite and synoptic priority & posteriority?
Replies: 130
Views: 85141

Re: Alternating Marcionite and synoptic priority & posterior

With reference to Mark and the Proto-Luke-Marcion, do you concede that as it used Mark, it added “men” and therefore “men” is not an older tradition that the “you” of Mark? When quoting from the Greek I often do it in what you call as “woodenly” before rearranging and adding English grammar not in t...
by Michael BG
Tue Sep 22, 2015 2:47 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Jesus Wars Go Thermonuclear
Replies: 272
Views: 126337

Re: The Jesus Wars Go Thermonuclear

… Even if I accept that every question should be answered yes, we should agree at least on a point (under the authenticity scenario, obviously), that is the following words of Richard Carrier (already quoted above by me): Note that this passage is out of place: the argument that Paul is answering h...
by Michael BG
Mon Sep 21, 2015 4:00 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Jesus Wars Go Thermonuclear
Replies: 272
Views: 126337

Re: The Jesus Wars Go Thermonuclear

Giuseppe, unfortunately we do not seem to be on the same page. Hopefully we can get to the same page by considering 1 Cor 9:1-5. “[1] Am I not free? Am I not an apostle? Have I not seen Jesus our Lord? Are not you my workmanship in the Lord? [2] If to others I am not an apostle, at least I am to you...
by Michael BG
Sun Sep 20, 2015 7:13 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Alternating Marcionite and synoptic priority & posteriority?
Replies: 130
Views: 85141

Re: Alternating Marcionite and synoptic priority & posterior

With regard to Lk 21:29-33 Therefore it is clear that Marcion includes Lucan redaction of Mark and can only be based on an earlier text if Luke didn’t use Mark. All is equally explained if proto-Luke used Mark. Let us assume this FTSOA, and also that both Marcion and canonical Luke used proto-Luke....
by Michael BG
Sun Sep 20, 2015 5:03 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Jesus Wars Go Thermonuclear
Replies: 272
Views: 126337

Re: The Jesus Wars Go Thermonuclear

to Michael BG, Of course I may be mistaken and may have misunderstood because later you write, “One striking difference would be the addition by Marcion of "above all principality, and power, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but in that which is to come,"...