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by MrMacSon
Sun Apr 07, 2024 11:47 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: BeDuhn’s Greek Reconstruction of Marcion’s Gospel
Replies: 23
Views: 441

Re: BeDuhn’s Greek Reconstruction of Marcion’s Gospel

Klingardt's reconstruction of *Ev in his 2020 English version (of his 2015 German two-volume book) is [also] in Greek eta This: Bilby is clear about what is conflated in his versions of Klinghardt and of Nicolotti: https://openhumanitiesdata.metajnl.com/articles/10.5334/johd.70 "Our normalized ...
by MrMacSon
Sun Apr 07, 2024 6:14 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: BeDuhn’s Greek Reconstruction of Marcion’s Gospel
Replies: 23
Views: 441

Re: BeDuhn’s Greek Reconstruction of Marcion’s Gospel

Bilby says that BeDuhn has achieved a happy "via media" between more limited reconstructions (he mentions Roth and von Harnack at around 4,000 words) and more expansive (over 10,000 words in Nicolotti, Klinghardt, Hahn, and Zahn). I'm not sure that word counts is a standard, but the point...
by MrMacSon
Sun Apr 07, 2024 5:36 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Was Paul Marcion (in part, at least)?
Replies: 27
Views: 493

Re: Was Paul Marcion (in part, at least)?

The following is emphasised differently by me, ie. I've removed Charles' and added my own MrMacSon -- A good suggestion. Some time ago, I speculated on something like this awhile back: Tacitus, Histories, Book 3: "All other nations were equally restless. A sudden outbreak had been excited in Po...
by MrMacSon
Sun Apr 07, 2024 5:26 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Was Paul Marcion (in part, at least)?
Replies: 27
Views: 493

Re: Was Paul Marcion (in part, at least)?

Secret Alias wrote: Sun Apr 07, 2024 8:04 am I also find it incredible that Acts pretends Paul was a former Pharisee. Like hearing Hugh Hefner was celibate. Paul thought the destruction of the temple was clearing the way for the true religion.
Yeah, that is incredible.
by MrMacSon
Sun Apr 07, 2024 5:18 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Was Paul Marcion (in part, at least)?
Replies: 27
Views: 493

Re: Was Paul Marcion (in part, at least)?

Paul wrote for the gentiles. Significant key apsects of what Paul wrote was to diss 'Judaism': at a time when 'Judaism' was a lot more diverse than is commonly recognised. I kind of/mostly agree with this: No. That's what the orthodox say. Doesn't make any sense. The Marcionites said he wrote for t...
by MrMacSon
Sun Apr 07, 2024 4:51 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Who benefits if Paul is entirely fabricated?
Replies: 6
Views: 220

Re: Who benefits if Paul is entirely fabricated?

Hebrews pre-70 1 / priority of John 1,2 could be an interesting alternative in that scenario. And the priority of the Book of Revelation 1 Hebrews (+/- John or Revelation) need not be pre-70, either (but it wouldn't matter if they were) 2 the book attributed to 'John' might be preceded by the epist...
by MrMacSon
Sun Apr 07, 2024 4:08 pm
Forum: Jewish Texts and History
Topic: Two Powers in Heaven
Replies: 26
Views: 1100

Re: Two Powers in Heaven

You gotta love Andrei Orlov. One issue I see, though, is that Hekhalot literature as written texts are rather late (near the end of the Roman hegonomy over the east) Sure, but Peter Schäfer and Orlov both situate the genesis of the concept of 'Two Powers in Heaven' in the pre-Christian era: in the ...
by MrMacSon
Sat Apr 06, 2024 9:42 pm
Forum: Jewish Texts and History
Topic: Two Powers in Heaven
Replies: 26
Views: 1100

Re: Two Powers in Heaven

Andrei A. Orlov notes in a chapter in the book, Wisdom Poured Out Like Water: Studies on Jewish and Christian Antiquity in Honor of Gabriele Boccaccini, De Gruyter, 2018: Andrei A. Orlov 23  Two Powers in Heaven… Manifested Introduction In recent decades there has been an increased scholarly interes...
by MrMacSon
Fri Apr 05, 2024 7:32 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Short Recension of Three Letters of Ignatius
Replies: 35
Views: 870

Re: The Short Recension of Three Letters of Ignatius

This one (3-4 mths ago) with Jack B, Mark Bilby, Jason BeDuhn and Markus Vinzent is interesting (though might not touch on Ignatius)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWfQEGQeaXU
by MrMacSon
Fri Apr 05, 2024 6:15 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Was Paul Marcion (in part, at least)?
Replies: 27
Views: 493

Re: Was Paul Marcion (in part)?

I don't know about Paul "being" Marcion. But really it's hard to say much about any of this. I mean it's not even clear if Marcion was a real person. Sure (it's speculative). But one could also make the claim that Paul was not a real person: Paul, Marcion, and most of the figures in the P...