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by Irish1975
Thu Dec 24, 2020 1:32 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Jesus Mythicism & 1 John
Replies: 123
Views: 42145

Re: Jesus Mythicism & 1 John

mlinssen wrote:
Thu Dec 24, 2020 11:10 am
James David Audlin does likewise. He's wrapping up on 5 decades of research on John
How fitting since the beloved disciple himself took 10-12 decades to write his gospel.
by Irish1975
Thu Dec 24, 2020 10:18 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Jesus Mythicism & 1 John
Replies: 123
Views: 42145

Re: Jesus Mythicism & 1 John

I just read through a recent article Did the Johannine Community Exist? by Hugo Mendez, and was not impressed with his account of why the Gospel must be earlier. He seems to think that the author of 1 John is presenting himself as an eyewitness to Jesus in essentially the same manner as the GJohn p...
by Irish1975
Wed Dec 23, 2020 4:54 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Jesus Mythicism & 1 John
Replies: 123
Views: 42145

Re: Jesus Mythicism & 1 John

...it seems much more natural that the epistle would have been written first, and the Gospel second. The latter answers the former. We agree on this one. I too belong to the minority consisting of those who think the epistles came first. I have given another reason to think so elsewhere. Essentiall...
by Irish1975
Wed Dec 23, 2020 3:47 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Jesus Mythicism & 1 John
Replies: 123
Views: 42145

Re: Jesus Mythicism & 1 John

A thought about the relative chronology of 1 John and GJohn— The Gospel of John can be read as one big YES to the interconnected questions in 1 John 2: 22 and 4:3, Was Jesus the Christ? Did Jesus Christ come in the flesh? For that reason alone it seems much more natural that the epistle would have b...
by Irish1975
Sun Dec 20, 2020 5:33 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Jesus Mythicism & 1 John
Replies: 123
Views: 42145

Re: Jesus Mythicism & 1 John

I see where the problem arises from my first reply. Interpreting the gospels literally was not the way to laying a uniform or agreed-upon Jesus of Nazareth figure. It was only the beginning of the problem. Literal readings of symbolic texts (not meant to present a real biography) opened the floodga...
by Irish1975
Sun Dec 20, 2020 11:28 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Jesus Mythicism & 1 John
Replies: 123
Views: 42145

Re: Jesus Mythicism & 1 John

I suspect the 1 John document and the issues it confronts long postdate any "mythicist-historicist" controversy. ... I have no direct evidence to support that interpretation. I am inferring it from the only way I can imagine the gospels got started. The idea of Jesus as a suffering servant/sacrific...
by Irish1975
Sat Dec 19, 2020 2:49 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Funny thing about Acts... (Paul's trial)
Replies: 118
Views: 31967

Re: Funny thing about Acts... (Paul's trial)

What I myself mean by those terms ["founder," "Christianity"] is very simple. Paul has believed in Christ Jesus (hence "Christianity," though of course I am aware that the fuller term is probably an anachronism for Paul's time); and so has Cephas (Galatians 2.15-16), who precedes Paul (hence Paul i...
by Irish1975
Sat Dec 19, 2020 8:02 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Funny thing about Acts... (Paul's trial)
Replies: 118
Views: 31967

Re: Funny thing about Acts... (Paul's trial)

I dispute that Paul is the founder of Christianity; I dispute that he is even the founder of Greek Christianity. 1) What do you mean by "Greek Christianity"? 2) Paul writes that he, as the wise architect, laid the unalterable foundation that is Jesus Christ Κατὰ τὴν χάριν τοῦ θεοῦ τὴν δοθεῖσάν μοι ...
by Irish1975
Fri Dec 18, 2020 5:02 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Funny thing about Acts... (Paul's trial)
Replies: 118
Views: 31967

Re: Funny thing about Acts... (Paul's trial)

Carrier, Doherty and others bring up good points as well about people calling themselves "Christians" who didn't even believe in Jesus, indeed one person in the second century (I forget who) who even denied that Jesus had anything to do with Christianity. According to him, the claim that a crucifie...
by Irish1975
Thu Dec 17, 2020 12:23 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: A (pressing) question for RG Price about Mark
Replies: 11
Views: 11409

Re: A (pressing) question for RG Price about Mark

I don't think JtB is all that important. I'm not sure if he really existed, nor do I think whether he did or not is very important. I would like to read a your future post about your complete view on John the Baptist. Surely Paul didn't know John the Baptist, I agree. But what was the reason for "M...