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by Irish1975
Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:51 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: How late might the gospels be?
Replies: 213
Views: 85961

Re: How late might the gospels be?

Again, you post absurdities. You seem to have no idea that there are no such thing as genuine Paul writings. The existing Epistles were handwritten no earlier than the mid-2nd century. Come now, no need to be rude. What is your evidence for a 2nd century dating for all the NT epistles? Otherwise, t...
by Irish1975
Thu Jan 18, 2018 8:55 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: How late might the gospels be?
Replies: 213
Views: 85961

Re: How late might the gospels be?

The character called Paul and letters were manufactured no earlier than the 2nd century in an attempt to historicise the fable called the resurrection. If, as you suppose, Paul is a fictional character, why are there so many incompatible versions of him in the NT? Wouldn't these hypothetical 2nd ce...
by Irish1975
Wed Jan 17, 2018 9:19 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: How late might the gospels be?
Replies: 213
Views: 85961

Re: How late might the gospels be?

Longstanding consensus among NT scholars has it that Mark was written circa 70. Maybe 65-80 if you ask around. But although the Jewish-Roman war provides a clear basement for dating Mark, Why is that a clear basement for dating Mark to after 65 AD? Mark includes predictions about the destruction of...
by Irish1975
Wed Jan 17, 2018 8:38 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: How late might the gospels be?
Replies: 213
Views: 85961

Re: How late might the gospels be?

First of all the so-called letters of Paul have no known actual time frame in the 1st century. All we have are 2nd century or later manuscripts of letters under the name of Paul. People have assumed or speculated without a shred of historical evidence that the supposed letters of Paul were written ...
by Irish1975
Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:47 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: How late might the gospels be?
Replies: 213
Views: 85961

Re: How late might the gospels be?

Irish1975 ... [with] the increased recognition of Mark's literary inventiveness over the whole structure of his narrative, there seems to be less reason to date him early. Sorry. I didn't follow that. I am a full-bore fan of Mark's literary inventiveness. I don't see how his being a good writer arg...
by Irish1975
Sat Jan 13, 2018 8:13 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: How late might the gospels be?
Replies: 213
Views: 85961

Re: How late might the gospels be?

The question arising is whether this account by Papias really describes what we know as the Gospel of Mark. A prior question is what was Eusebius's source for this Papias account? Who or what was Papias? When? Basic questions like nature and provenance of the reported source. Quite so. Papias is no...
by Irish1975
Fri Jan 12, 2018 7:33 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: How late might the gospels be?
Replies: 213
Views: 85961

How late might the gospels be?

Longstanding consensus among NT scholars has it that Mark was written circa 70. Maybe 65-80 if you ask around. But although the Jewish-Roman war provides a clear basement for dating Mark, I have never understood what specific evidence or criteria historians have used to establish a ceiling: how late...
by Irish1975
Mon Jan 08, 2018 10:35 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Phillipians 2:9-11, What name is given in exaltation?
Replies: 25
Views: 14165

Re: Phillipians 2:9-11, What name is given in exaltation?

I think that one mainstream scholoarly view makes sense, that the answer to the question of this thread is found in 2:11: the "name that is above every name" is "κυριος", "Lord", i.e. the concrete name of God. I think the idea is, that "Lord" in 2:11 carries the same doubleness as in the LXX. A des...
by Irish1975
Mon Jan 01, 2018 7:49 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Phillipians 2:9-11, What name is given in exaltation?
Replies: 25
Views: 14165

Re: Phillipians 2:9-11, What name is given in exaltation?

If he was known as Jesus from the beginning, it seems odd that Jesus would be the exalted name. And if Jesus was the name, the word "of" (highlighted in red) does not seem as if it should be present. If the exalted Jesus no longer bears the name Jesus, what name does he now bear? Perhaps, then, he ...
by Irish1975
Sun Dec 17, 2017 9:20 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: A "tripod" argument against mythicism
Replies: 14
Views: 8774

Re: A "tripod" argument against mythicism

Any fans here of James Tabor? IMO the best interpreter of Paul alive today. Until now, I had never heard of him, but when I read things like this ... from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jesus_Dynasty I pretty much see no real reason to read the rest of his material. Tabor has had a strange caree...