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by Irish1975
Tue Jan 12, 2021 11:38 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Paul's Motive for the Jerusalem Collection
Replies: 9
Views: 6184

Paul's Motive for the Jerusalem Collection

Paul's concern to raise a large donation from his flock in Galatia, Macedonia, and Achaia and deliver it to "the saints" or "the poor" in Jerusalem is a major preoccupation in his epistles (Galatians 2:10; 1 Cor 16:1–4; 2 Cor 8:1–9:15; Rom 15:14–32). This concern appears to have spanned his whole ca...
by Irish1975
Mon Jan 11, 2021 4:11 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Evidence Christianity started as mythicist
Replies: 93
Views: 67220

Re: Evidence Christianity started as mythicist

Thomas Brodie Beyond the Quest for the Historical Jesus page 146-147 The idea that Paul was a literary figure did not remove the possibility that behind the epistles lay one outstanding historical figure who was central to the inspiring of the epistles , but that is not the figure whom the epistles...
by Irish1975
Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:46 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Do Fabulists Believe their own Fables?
Replies: 12
Views: 11835

Re: So you're contentious, and trolling?

No, Baudelaire was CERTAINLY a bullsh*tter and Narcissist. We should not equivocate on the truth (which does exist). This is irrelevant to the topic. The topic was your illustration of Baudelaire, his invention, etc. and what it means. That was addressed. Baudelaire isn't "Mark"; false equivalence,...
by Irish1975
Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:40 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Do Fabulists Believe their own Fables?
Replies: 12
Views: 11835

Re: Do Fabulists Believe their own Fables?

One issue here is how far Mark for example was constrained by the ideas about Jesus previously accepted by his audience. Andrew Crddle Yes. It’s clear that his Jesus at the time of writing was “a man who needed no introduction.” However, I’m not sure what “constrain” really amounts to. Was Christop...
by Irish1975
Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:19 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Do Fabulists Believe their own Fables?
Replies: 12
Views: 11835

Re: Do Fabulists Believe their own Fables?

No, Baudelaire was CERTAINLY a bullsh*tter and Narcissist. We should not equivocate on the truth (which does exist). This is irrelevant to the topic. Your OP is about "arguments" (which I presume to be about 'history' and 'facts'), but now you've switched to talking about "art" and 'fiction'? These...
by Irish1975
Mon Jan 11, 2021 10:17 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: What happened in Ephesus?
Replies: 5
Views: 6288

Re: What happened in Ephesus?

Paul's anachronistic speech to the Ephesians in Acts: Acts 20: 25 “And now I know that none of you, among whom I have gone about proclaiming the kingdom, will ever see my face again. 26 Therefore I declare to you this day that I am not responsible for the blood of any of you, 27 for I did not shrin...
by Irish1975
Mon Jan 11, 2021 10:04 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Do Fabulists Believe their own Fables?
Replies: 12
Views: 11835

Re: Do Fabulists Believe their own Fables?

Kunigunde Kreuzerin wrote:
Mon Jan 11, 2021 1:33 am
Irish1975 wrote:
Sun Jan 10, 2021 3:26 pm
Here's a true story
Our own theories are just fables and we all believe in them. :cheers:
If there is no difference between biography and fiction. If there are no facts.

Careful with that axe, Eugene.
by Irish1975
Mon Jan 11, 2021 9:56 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Do Fabulists Believe their own Fables?
Replies: 12
Views: 11835

Re: Fabulists/NPDs and Their Fables

Charles Baudelaire was a flamboyant narcissist (NPD). Perhaps. But the point is that he wrote great stuff and told wonderful stories that proved convincing even to his 19th/20th century biographers living in the so-called age of reason. “Believing” his imagination over his memory was integral to hi...
by Irish1975
Sun Jan 10, 2021 6:58 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Evidence Christianity started as mythicist
Replies: 93
Views: 67220

Re: Evidence Christianity started as mythicist

It wasn’t inevitable, given Vespasian and Titus, that someone would compose gMark. The failure of the Hasmoneans doesn’t explain why Jews under the Romans got so good at writing scripture, anymore than Antiochus Epiphanes explains why the Book of Daniel was written or why it had such an impact. The...
by Irish1975
Sun Jan 10, 2021 3:26 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Do Fabulists Believe their own Fables?
Replies: 12
Views: 11835

Do Fabulists Believe their own Fables?

Here's a true story (cough) illustrating why I don't credit arguments that depend crucially on what ancient writers or their audiences "must have believed." Charles Baudelaire (d. 1867) was one of the great poets of modern times, with an exceptionally vivid imagination. In 1841, at age 20, he was se...