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by FransJVermeiren
Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:47 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The last Essene resistance during the Jewish-Roman war in Ascension of Isaiah 2:7-3:1
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The last Essene resistance during the Jewish-Roman war in Ascension of Isaiah 2:7-3:1

In recent Ascension of Isaiah (AoI) threads on this forum I suggested that the ‘king and his son’ of AoI 9:14 is an encrypted mention of Vespasian and Titus, and that the king/emperor of 11:19 likewise refers to the Flavians. In both cases the Flavians are staged as responsible for Jesus’ crucifixio...
by FransJVermeiren
Thu Nov 29, 2018 11:32 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Who is the "king" in the Ascension of Isaiah?
Replies: 11
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Re: Who is the "king" in the Ascension of Isaiah?

Giuseppe, why don’t you mention the connection between this fragment and AoI 9:14-16 which you discussed recently? Both fragments discuss Jesus’ arrest, crucifixion and survival. Chapter 9 is more specific as it mentions the ‘princeps mundi ilius propter filium ejus’ (the king of that world through ...
by FransJVermeiren
Wed Nov 28, 2018 5:49 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Jesus son of Saphat in Josephus and the Jesus of the gospels: one and the same person
Replies: 2
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Jesus son of Saphat in Josephus and the Jesus of the gospels: one and the same person

The core of my theory on the origins of Christianity is that Jesus was active during the war of the Jews against the Romans, 40 years later than what the gospels are telling. The crucial event which transformed the messianist Jesus into the awaited messiah was his survival of his crucifixion in the ...
by FransJVermeiren
Thu Nov 22, 2018 12:50 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Thomas L Brodie on Ehrman's 'Did Jesus Exist?'and oral traditions
Replies: 53
Views: 36331

Re: Thomas L Brodie on Ehrman's 'Did Jesus Exist?'and oral traditions

Interesting. I suppose there are many ways to dispense with the oral tradition theory. I did not construct my theory to put aside the oral tradition theory, it’s only one of its interesting side effects. 1) Why do you propose that Jesus lived later in the century, during the war? There are numerous...
by FransJVermeiren
Thu Nov 22, 2018 7:12 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Thomas L Brodie on Ehrman's 'Did Jesus Exist?'and oral traditions
Replies: 53
Views: 36331

Re: Thomas L Brodie on Ehrman's 'Did Jesus Exist?'and oral traditions

Irish1975, thanks for your clear exposition. Also in my opinion the oral tradition concept is baseless, not in the first place because its defenders have never given a sound explanation how it would have worked, but because chronologically there is no need for it. I gratefully use your enumeration a...
by FransJVermeiren
Wed Nov 14, 2018 12:31 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Trypho Says Christians Invented Their Christ?
Replies: 3
Views: 3982

Re: Trypho Says Christians Invented Their Christ?

And you, having accepted a groundless report, invent a Christ for yourselves, and for his sake are inconsiderately perishing (ὑμεῖς δέ, ματαίαν ἀκοὴν παρα δεξάμενοι, Χριστὸν ἑαυτοῖς τινα ἀναπλάσσετε καὶ αὐτοῦ χάριν τὰ νῦν ἀσκόπως ἀπόλλυσθε) ." [Justin Dialogue 8] ἀναπλάσσω = reshape, remodel or red...
by FransJVermeiren
Tue Nov 06, 2018 1:26 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: A question about Ascension of Isaiah 9:13-14
Replies: 10
Views: 6002

Re: A question about Ascension of Isaiah 9:13-14

I believe that Tisserant’s work mentioned above gives some answers, in combination with the work of Charles, mentioned recently on this forum, which gives a Latin version (L2) and the Latin translation of the Slavonic version. Here I confine myself to Tisserant’s Ascension d’Isaie . The beginning of...
by FransJVermeiren
Mon Nov 05, 2018 12:13 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Jesephus (sic) - hints of a messiah/Christ in the writings attributed to Josephus
Replies: 12
Views: 8677

Re: Jesephus (sic) - hints of a messiah/Christ in the writings of Josephus

IMO Jesus son of Saphat, the Galilean rebellion leader who is mentioned several times by Josephus (in War and in Life ), is the same person as Jesus of the gospels. Mark has antedated the gospel story and concealed the war circumstances to make his story acceptable in a world dominated by the Romans...
by FransJVermeiren
Wed Oct 31, 2018 1:09 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Vespasian and Titus crucify Jesus in Ascension of Isaiah 9:14
Replies: 1
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Vespasian and Titus crucify Jesus in Ascension of Isaiah 9:14

The recent Ultimate Ascension of Isaiah thread refers to a Vridar (Neil Godfrey) article , in which Ascension of Isaiah (AoI) 9:14 drew my attention. This verse goes as follows (R.H. Charles, The Ascension of Isaiah, 1900, p. 121): • In manuscript 'L2' (Latin 2): Et princeps mundi illius extendet ma...
by FransJVermeiren
Mon Oct 22, 2018 10:39 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The male inhabitants of Gennesaret or its people?
Replies: 19
Views: 15785

Re: The male inhabitants of Gennesaret or its people?

DCH Your first sentence above could create the impression that the “crushing exploitation of the peasantry by Herodian and Roman rules” assumption comes from Freyne’s pen or mine, which is not the case. Freyne explicitly speaks of changes 'since the Hellenistic age'. Could you give the author of thi...