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by Michael BG
Wed Sep 09, 2015 6:02 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The beatitudes: precedents and sources.
Replies: 13
Views: 8447

Re: The beatitudes: precedents and sources.

With reference to Matthew [10] "Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness' sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. [11] "Blessed are you when men revile you and persecute you and utter all kinds of evil against you falsely on my account. Matthew Black does have this stanza ...
by Michael BG
Wed Sep 09, 2015 4:27 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The beatitudes: precedents and sources.
Replies: 13
Views: 8447

Re: The beatitudes: precedents and sources.

Great work Ben. A few years ago I worked on trying to decide what I considered Q would look like and for this section I ended up with: [20b]"Blessed are you poor, for yours is the kingdom of God. [5] "Blessed are you meek, for you shall inherit the earth. [4] "Blessed are you who mour...
by Michael BG
Wed Sep 09, 2015 2:53 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why did Marcion adopt the gospel of Luke?
Replies: 130
Views: 80632

Re: Why did Marcion adopt the gospel of Luke?

I think you have misunderstood what I wrote. I am trying to get you to discuss the dating of the texts. This is part of discussing Christian origins as it is from the Christian tradition that these texts arose and were valued. When the dating of Genesis is discussed the nature of the text is recogni...
by Michael BG
Wed Sep 09, 2015 10:53 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why did Marcion adopt the gospel of Luke?
Replies: 130
Views: 80632

Re: Why did Marcion adopt the gospel of Luke?

It is my understanding that Mk 13 can be used to assert that Mark was most likely written after 41 CE and before about 75 CE. The 41 CE date comes from Mark using a document written about the time that the Emperor Gaius Caligula wanted to erect a statue of himself as a god in the Temple. The 75 CE ...
by Michael BG
Wed Sep 09, 2015 8:44 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why did Marcion adopt the gospel of Luke?
Replies: 130
Views: 80632

Re: Why did Marcion adopt the gospel of Luke?

<snip> And finally I am left disagreeing with Klinghardt when he concludes “this model provides a solution of the contentious issues of the present debate”. I'm sure that there are many instances where Klinghardt can be called out by critics - as all proposed solutions to the synoptic problem have ...
by Michael BG
Mon Sep 07, 2015 4:01 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Does Luke edit Mark with more primitive data?
Replies: 39
Views: 31556

Re: Does Luke edit Mark with more primitive data?

Thank you Ben C. Smith for your examples. There is an idea that says that the text that doesn’t run smoothly is likely to be the more primitive and this is likely to be Mk 5:6-13 rather than Luke who has smoothed out the surprising comment out of the blue that the man is now clothed as well as being...
by Michael BG
Mon Sep 07, 2015 2:36 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why did Marcion adopt the gospel of Luke?
Replies: 130
Views: 80632

Re: Why did Marcion adopt the gospel of Luke?

Klinghardt states (p 16) that he believes that “Thy kingdom come” in Luke 11:2 is not the original text but “Thy Holy Spirit come” as in Marcion is the original. It has been suggested that Marcion was influenced by Luke 11:13b – “how much more will the heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those w...
by Michael BG
Sun Sep 06, 2015 6:32 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why did Marcion adopt the gospel of Luke?
Replies: 130
Views: 80632

Re: Why did Marcion adopt the gospel of Luke?

Propositions that Marcion's Gospel preceded Luke have been around for quite a while - ... Klinghardt has also suggested Marcion's Gospel preceded Matthew. Matthias Klinghardt (2008) 'The Marcionite Gospel and the Synoptic Problem: A New Suggestion' Novum Testamentum ; 50(1):1-27. - full article: ht...
by Michael BG
Sun Sep 06, 2015 6:24 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Couchoud's 'Is Marcion's Gospel One of the Synoptics?'
Replies: 5
Views: 5995

Re: Couchoud's 'Is Marcion's Gospel One of the Synoptics?'

I thought I would read this Couchoud article before working my way through the Klinghardt one, but I just hate his style. In the examples I have so far looked at, at no time has he considered that the Lucan version agrees with Mark or Matthew against Marcion. I think it is a good idea to read it wit...
by Michael BG
Sun Sep 06, 2015 4:46 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Does Luke edit Mark with more primitive data?
Replies: 39
Views: 31556

Re: Does Luke edit Mark with more primitive data?

@Michael BG: Maybe if you want to return more directly to original question of this thread you should pick a different example periscope? From what I can tell the history of the Last Supper text is as knotted a mess of differing opinions and endless investigations as practically any in the entire N...