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by Secret Alias
Sat Jan 11, 2020 12:21 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Martyrdom of James, Syriac Luke 4:9, Daniel 9:27
Replies: 1
Views: 475

The Martyrdom of James, Syriac Luke 4:9, Daniel 9:27

Syr. P Lk4:9 : ܘܲܐܩܝܼܡܸܗ ܥܲܠ ܟܸܢܦܵܐ ܕܗܲܝܟܠܵܐ‏ and he set him on the pinnacle of the temple. (כנפ = 'pinnacle of the temple') Daniel 9:27 And he shall make a firm covenant with many for one week; and for half of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the offering to cease; and upon the כְּנַף שִׁק...
by Secret Alias
Sat Jan 11, 2020 11:59 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Understanding the Christian Story
Replies: 24
Views: 2251

Re: Understanding the Christian Story

trying too hard to make sense of the apologetics and polemic ravings of Tertullian and his ilk. But what else is there? Is Acts really a superior source of information? Let me give you an example. I've read in various sources that one explanation for the Galatians-first canon in Irenaeus and Tertul...
by Secret Alias
Sat Jan 11, 2020 9:44 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Understanding the Christian Story
Replies: 24
Views: 2251

Understanding the Christian Story

So I am trying to flesh out the orthodox story from Irenaeus and Tertullian. It goes something like this: There is one god who rules over the monarchy in heaven and on earth. The Father is at once the same as the Son. The Son went to earth to witness the Father, who was always known to the Jews but ...
by Secret Alias
Sat Jan 11, 2020 8:48 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Meaning of Jesus's Crucifixion
Replies: 24
Views: 1826

Re: The Meaning of Jesus's Crucifixion

Another question about Paul. Why is Paul convinced the Christian message is true if he doesn't know the temple will be destroyed? The answer would be that second and third century Christians believed he had "the Holy Spirit." He knew "by prophesy" that all things would be fulfilled. So did his first...
by Secret Alias
Fri Jan 10, 2020 11:25 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Meaning of Jesus's Crucifixion
Replies: 24
Views: 1826

Re: The Meaning of Jesus's Crucifixion

Yes I should have said Galatians being first is from Acts
by Secret Alias
Fri Jan 10, 2020 9:25 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Meaning of Jesus's Crucifixion
Replies: 24
Views: 1826

Re: The Meaning of Jesus's Crucifixion

Nothing direct that I know of. All I am saying is that the ordering of the Pauline canon for Irenaeus and Tertullian and Ephrem was developed from the order of cities visited by Paul in Acts. As such our version of apostolic history developed from literature - or of course our canon mirrored realit...
by Secret Alias
Fri Jan 10, 2020 8:29 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Meaning of Jesus's Crucifixion
Replies: 24
Views: 1826

Re: The Meaning of Jesus's Crucifixion

So leaving Paul aside, what other evidence is there which contradicts the idea that when the gospel was written (c 70 CE) the author had in mind Titus's mass crucifixion of the Jews? I am not asking this to be belligerent. I am asking just as a matter of procedure. Is there a second piece of evidence?
by Secret Alias
Fri Jan 10, 2020 7:57 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Meaning of Jesus's Crucifixion
Replies: 24
Views: 1826

Re: The Meaning of Jesus's Crucifixion

I've been thinking about the orthodox argument against the Marcionites. If you're familiar with Tertullian's Against Marcion, the case is made that Marcion stole Luke and read Galatians and learned from it that Paul accused the Jerusalem Church of tampering with his gospel. I am persuaded that this ...
by Secret Alias
Fri Jan 10, 2020 7:44 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Meaning of Jesus's Crucifixion
Replies: 24
Views: 1826

Re: The Meaning of Jesus's Crucifixion

Once the direct evidence is off the table, there may be numerous indirect evidences which are left competing for one another.
Could I address the so-called 'direct evidence' - i.e. Paul?
by Secret Alias
Fri Jan 10, 2020 7:11 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Meaning of Jesus's Crucifixion
Replies: 24
Views: 1826

Re: The Meaning of Jesus's Crucifixion

Your OP asked about "most of us," not about the Marcionites. You're right. I won't pursue the other statements you made about the Marcionites because I was wrong to distract from the OP. If Paul wrote (in his extant epistles) about the crucifixion of Jesus before 70 Is it possible to push Paul out ...