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by Secret Alias
Mon Sep 28, 2015 11:04 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Jesus Wars Go Thermonuclear
Replies: 272
Views: 71382

Re: The Jesus Wars Go Thermonuclear

That comes later. The idea of four being divinely ordained (NOT POPULAR) is done through the pre-existence of 'four heresies' = arbat ha minim each with one gospel which foreshadowed the generative power of the number four generally - a view he stole from the followers of Mark.
by Secret Alias
Mon Sep 28, 2015 10:59 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Jesus Wars Go Thermonuclear
Replies: 272
Views: 71382

Re: The Jesus Wars Go Thermonuclear

So you don't understand the rhetorical use of Pythagorean interest to justify the 4? So Irenaeus doesn't believe that God shaped the world by the number 4? He doesn't really believe that the Holy Spirit arranged the four gospels to have been corrupted by four heretical schools and rescued by Irenae...
by Secret Alias
Mon Sep 28, 2015 10:56 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Jesus Wars Go Thermonuclear
Replies: 272
Views: 71382

Re: The Jesus Wars Go Thermonuclear

The closest he gets to saying this is that Matthew, Luke, Mark and John were evangelists who wrote gospels but nowhere does he speak of the texts being ubiquitous in the Church. In fact a careful reading of book three sees Irenaeus develop a more perplexing line of argumentation against the heresies...
by Secret Alias
Mon Sep 28, 2015 10:53 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Jesus Wars Go Thermonuclear
Replies: 272
Views: 71382

Re: The Jesus Wars Go Thermonuclear

Irenaeus is FKN telling you how popular these text were. Where does he say this? He only speaks of four heretics having the books in corrupt form and the 'fourfold' nature of this situation foreshadowing the canonizing of four gospels in his own age. He nowhere says that Matthew, Mark, Luke and Joh...
by Secret Alias
Mon Sep 28, 2015 10:46 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Jesus Wars Go Thermonuclear
Replies: 272
Views: 71382

Re: The Jesus Wars Go Thermonuclear

And the POSTERIOR nature of Irenaeus's formulation is revealed when he acknowledges that the followers of Mark revere a Tetrad as a generative force in the universe LONG BEFORE the four gospels were established: This Mark then, declaring that he alone was the matrix and receptacle of the Sige of Col...
by Secret Alias
Mon Sep 28, 2015 10:37 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Jesus Wars Go Thermonuclear
Replies: 272
Views: 71382

Re: The Jesus Wars Go Thermonuclear

There is no evidence whatsoever for a canonical set of four before the four heresies (arbat ha minim = ארבעת המינים‎). The existence of these four 'species' (Leviticus 23:40) is a sign of the correctness of the 'fourness' of the gospels: So firm is the ground upon which these Gospels rest, that the ...
by Secret Alias
Mon Sep 28, 2015 10:33 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Jesus Wars Go Thermonuclear
Replies: 272
Views: 71382

Re: The Jesus Wars Go Thermonuclear

Because the 4 were already popular :facepalm: Why are you so dense look at the quote - they were associated with the heretics, no one else. There is no mention of any popularity of the four texts in the Church at all. the Holy Spirit established the four gospels with the four heretics in corrupt fo...
by Secret Alias
Mon Sep 28, 2015 10:30 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Jesus Wars Go Thermonuclear
Replies: 272
Views: 71382

Re: The Jesus Wars Go Thermonuclear

So firm is the ground upon which these Gospels rest, that the very heretics themselves bear witness to them, and, starting from these [documents], each one of them endeavours to establish his own peculiar doctrine [identification of the pre-existent association between Matthew, Luke, Mark, John wit...
by Secret Alias
Mon Sep 28, 2015 10:27 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Jesus Wars Go Thermonuclear
Replies: 272
Views: 71382

Re: The Jesus Wars Go Thermonuclear

But he doesn't say 'this existed before me' what he says is - the four heretics with four corrupted gospels existed before me and THAT SET THE STAGE FOR THE FOURFOLD NATURE OF THE GOSPEL TO BE MANIFEST TO THE WORLD (by means of the Holy Spirit). Look at what he fucking says for God's sake! The fourf...
by Secret Alias
Mon Sep 28, 2015 10:25 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Jesus Wars Go Thermonuclear
Replies: 272
Views: 71382

Re: The Jesus Wars Go Thermonuclear

You have all these heretical communities working with one gospel. Irenaeus even goes so fucking far as to say that God arranged the universe in such a way that there had to be four heretics A PRIORI to my proclamation to reinforce the holiness of the number four - i.e. the heretics came first and th...