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by Ben C. Smith
Mon Feb 22, 2021 7:42 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: "a commonplace belief among historians of the early church that early Christianity did not emphasize Jesus’ crucifixion"
Replies: 103
Views: 1080

Re: "a commonplace belief among historians of the early church that early Christianity did not emphasize Jesus’ crucifix

It says 'in crucem' and I would expect 'ad crucem' for tying someone 'to' a cross . If, in fact, crux means cross here - but 'in' here seems to mean 'into', and this isn't a clear-cut case of "crucifying someone as we know it" I'm going to ignore you for the day Ben. You seem to have an off-day. Ge...
by Ben C. Smith
Mon Feb 22, 2021 4:53 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: "a commonplace belief among historians of the early church that early Christianity did not emphasize Jesus’ crucifixion"
Replies: 103
Views: 1080

Re: "a commonplace belief among historians of the early church that early Christianity did not emphasize Jesus’ crucifix

It says 'in crucem' and I would expect 'ad crucem' for tying someone 'to' a cross . If, in fact, crux means cross here - but 'in' here seems to mean 'into', and this isn't a clear-cut case of "crucifying someone as we know it" Why would you expect that? If the Latin in means "into" here, are you sa...
by Ben C. Smith
Mon Feb 22, 2021 4:40 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: dating the birth stories?
Replies: 117
Views: 1241

Re: dating the birth stories?

What is most important in here is what Brent phrased very well https://brentnongbri.com/2018/04/11/justin-martyr-and-the-gospels/ * The lone exception to this “plural” rule in Justin’s surviving writings is actually quite telling: At Dialogue 106.3, the manuscripts read καὶ γεγράφθαι ἐν τοῖς ἀπομνη...
by Ben C. Smith
Mon Feb 22, 2021 4:37 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: "a commonplace belief among historians of the early church that early Christianity did not emphasize Jesus’ crucifixion"
Replies: 103
Views: 1080

Re: "a commonplace belief among historians of the early church that early Christianity did not emphasize Jesus’ crucifix

I feel like I am missing an entire swath of context for the discussions about crucifixion on this forum of late . What exactly is at stake (pun intended) if Jesus was originally thought to have been suspended from, nailed to, or in any other way affixed upon a simple vertical pale, whereas by some ...
by Ben C. Smith
Sun Feb 21, 2021 8:33 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: "a commonplace belief among historians of the early church that early Christianity did not emphasize Jesus’ crucifixion"
Replies: 103
Views: 1080

Re: "a commonplace belief among historians of the early church that early Christianity did not emphasize Jesus’ crucifix

Okay, and what is your own answer to this question? It was a genuine, open question. I don't yet have an answer. Do you have any answers Ben? I think the obvious. I think that both stauros and crux , from an early date in Classical history, could indicate a variety of punishments all characterized ...
by Ben C. Smith
Sun Feb 21, 2021 6:46 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: "a commonplace belief among historians of the early church that early Christianity did not emphasize Jesus’ crucifixion"
Replies: 103
Views: 1080

Re: "a commonplace belief among historians of the early church that early Christianity did not emphasize Jesus’ crucifix

MrMacSon wrote:
Sun Feb 21, 2021 6:44 pm
The Opening Post of this thread asked
MrMacSon wrote:
Tue Feb 16, 2021 9:26 pm
Do any of the Church Fathers talk about Jesus crucified?
Okay, and what is your own answer to this question?
by Ben C. Smith
Sun Feb 21, 2021 6:42 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: "a commonplace belief among historians of the early church that early Christianity did not emphasize Jesus’ crucifixion"
Replies: 103
Views: 1080

Re: "a commonplace belief among historians of the early church that early Christianity did not emphasize Jesus’ crucifix

MrMacSon wrote:
Sun Feb 21, 2021 6:41 pm
Ben C. Smith wrote:
Sun Feb 21, 2021 6:34 pm
Is this merely some form of "gotcha" against organized Christianity?
  • No.
Okay, good. So what is it? What is on the table?
by Ben C. Smith
Sun Feb 21, 2021 6:34 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: "a commonplace belief among historians of the early church that early Christianity did not emphasize Jesus’ crucifixion"
Replies: 103
Views: 1080

Re: "a commonplace belief among historians of the early church that early Christianity did not emphasize Jesus’ crucifix

I feel like I am missing an entire swath of context for the discussions about crucifixion on this forum of late. What exactly is at stake (pun intended) if Jesus was originally thought to have been suspended from, nailed to, or in any other way affixed upon a simple vertical pale, whereas by some po...
by Ben C. Smith
Sun Feb 21, 2021 6:53 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: dating the birth stories?
Replies: 117
Views: 1241

Re: dating the birth stories?

Justin mentions writings (Memorabilia) called Gospels thrice: Justin Martyr, 1 Apology 66.3-4: 3 For the apostles, in the Memorabilia made by them, which are called Gospels , have thus delivered unto us what was enjoined upon them, that Jesus took bread and, when He had given thanks, said, “This do...
by Ben C. Smith
Sun Feb 21, 2021 6:49 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Convince me that 1 Clement knew a Gospel
Replies: 66
Views: 23932

Re: Convince me that 1 Clement knew a Gospel

mlinssen wrote:
Sun Feb 21, 2021 12:11 am
Ben, isn't https://archive.org/stream/BaillyDictio ... 2/mode/1up saying that this is a substantive?
No. This is an adjective which is often used adverbially, as well.