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by Ben C. Smith
Wed Feb 24, 2021 2:08 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: "a commonplace belief among historians of the early church that early Christianity did not emphasize Jesus’ crucifixion"
Replies: 103
Views: 1080

Re: "a commonplace belief among historians of the early church that early Christianity did not emphasize Jesus’ crucifix

The point remains that, if you want to say (in Latin) that you have affixed someone to a stake/cross , in crucem is a perfectly valid way of putting it. Where has anyone actually said they did that? Where have the Church Fathers recounted someone as doing that? Sorry, I am not sure what you are ask...
by Ben C. Smith
Wed Feb 24, 2021 1:12 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: dating the birth stories?
Replies: 117
Views: 1241

Re: dating the birth stories?

I am not sure exactly what happens or why, but it will pass. Until it does, I recommend saving all your posts in a text file before you post them. That way you can repost if necessary.
by Ben C. Smith
Wed Feb 24, 2021 12:58 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Nongbri v Hurtado
Replies: 9
Views: 178

Re: Nongbri v Hurtado

perseusomega9 wrote:
Wed Feb 24, 2021 12:57 pm
Hurtado was a condescending conservative ass but you should read his works for their meticulous and encyclopedic documentation, but disregard his faith-informed conclusions.
Occasionally not meticulous; I have found some mistakes; but yes, he is still very much worth a read.
by Ben C. Smith
Wed Feb 24, 2021 12:49 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: "a commonplace belief among historians of the early church that early Christianity did not emphasize Jesus’ crucifixion"
Replies: 103
Views: 1080

Re: "a commonplace belief among historians of the early church that early Christianity did not emphasize Jesus’ crucifix

Well, I had 5 years of Latin in grammar school but it's been a while. Ad versus in is a difficult beast, and Perseus has a mini bible on the both of them To make a long story short: to tie on in or to a crucem is not a very convincing example of Hannibal beating the canonicals to it I could give yo...
by Ben C. Smith
Wed Feb 24, 2021 12:30 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Reception of Shephard of Hermas
Replies: 19
Views: 360

Re: Reception of Shephard of Hermas

Just out of curiosity, if the Shepherd of Hermas was built of multiple layers over time, how do you view those possible layers? How would they be structured and how would those structures align with the other material of the NT? To jump in and respond strictly for myself, those layers would be stru...
by Ben C. Smith
Wed Feb 24, 2021 11:06 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The introduction of Luke
Replies: 13
Views: 144

Re: The introduction of Luke

It happens. No problem.
by Ben C. Smith
Wed Feb 24, 2021 10:53 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The introduction of Luke
Replies: 13
Views: 144

Re: The introduction of Luke

I don't think "fulfilled" is a good translation: the Thayer Greek Lexicon has for "ἀνατάξασθαι": put together in order, arrange, compose, as in the RSV: "Inasmuch as many have undertaken to compile a narrative of the things which have been accomplished among us," (of course, this statement, with "m...
by Ben C. Smith
Wed Feb 24, 2021 10:52 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The introduction of Luke
Replies: 13
Views: 144

Re: The introduction of Luke

I don't know enough about Greek, but obviously the usage is a little different between the two. One is past tense and the other is future tense. "have been fulfilled" vs "must be fulfilled" I don't know if that accounts for the differences or not. Neither is in the future tense; πληρωθῆναι is an ao...
by Ben C. Smith
Wed Feb 24, 2021 10:25 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Marcionite agreements with Matthew against Luke?
Replies: 45
Views: 360

Re: Marcionite agreements with Matthew against Luke?

From reading through Ben's original thread on this topic, it doesn't look too fruitful. Perhaps it is to be expected since we don't have direct evidence, but it seems that every case has some complicating factor that prevents the conclusion that Marcion's Gospel definitely had elements that exist i...
by Ben C. Smith
Wed Feb 24, 2021 10:24 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The introduction of Luke
Replies: 13
Views: 144

Re: The introduction of Luke

rgprice wrote:
Wed Feb 24, 2021 10:18 am
A simple way to address this is simply to see what Greek word is used for fulfilled in Luke 24:44. Is it πεπληροφορημένων?
No, but the two words share a morpheme. The word in Luke 1.1 is πληροφορέω; the word in Luke 24.44 is πληρόω. These share the morpheme πληρ-, which means "full."