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by Ken Olson
Thu Oct 22, 2020 8:03 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Minor agreements against gMark
Replies: 63
Views: 36677

Re: Minor agreements against gMark

Ben, I realize you were citing BeDuhn on the possibility of multiple recensions of the gospels circulating in antiquity, but I'd like to point out a weakness in BeDuhn's own position. As you probably remember, I called Klinghardt's outline of his solution to the synoptic problem a methodological nig...
by Ken Olson
Wed Oct 21, 2020 9:55 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Late dating of Mark: How far would you go? And what are your arguments?
Replies: 89
Views: 38008

Re: Late dating of Mark: How far would you go? And what are your arguments?

I've posted on this before. I accept the authenticity of the middle recension of Ignatius but I regard a date during the reign of Hadrian as more likely than that of Trajan. Eusebius' dates for the early bishops of Antioch appear to be basically guesses. Andrew Criddle Andrew, I agree about Eusebiu...
by Ken Olson
Tue Oct 20, 2020 1:55 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Late dating of Mark: How far would you go? And what are your arguments?
Replies: 89
Views: 38008

Re: Late dating of Mark: How far would you go? And what are your arguments?

I accept the theory of Markan priority (which entails that Matthew used Mark), that the the author of the Ignatian Epistles knew Matthew's gospel, and that the Ignatian Epistles were written c. 110 CE (and are presumably authentic in their middle recension). So theoretically it could be as late as 1...
by Ken Olson
Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:49 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why was Thomas not labelled as Q?
Replies: 37
Views: 19161

Re: Why was Thomas not labelled as Q?

You are using a definition of Q which is neither the original one nor the one generally used by Q specialists. Here is what perhaps the most respected Q specialist has to say about what Q is: John S. Kloppenborg, Q, the Earliest Gospel , page 20: 20 It must be reiterated at this point that scholars...
by Ken Olson
Mon Oct 12, 2020 4:01 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Jesus in the Mishnah, the Tosefta, & the Talmud.
Replies: 31
Views: 25594

Re: Jesus in the Mishnah, the Tosefta, & the Talmud.

If one dates the earliest mentions (in texts that may possibly be copies of earlier ones) of the Wicked Priest and theTeacher of Righteousness before 76 BCE, then identifications with Antigonus or his brother Hyrcanus II would seem unlikely. Stephen, Is there good reason to date the earliest mentio...
by Ken Olson
Sun Oct 11, 2020 7:19 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: 1 Timothy 4:3
Replies: 3
Views: 3722

Re: 1 Timothy 4:3

Paul himself does not actually forbid marriage; he allows it as a concession to human weakness. If one cannot control one's sexual desires, one can marry to avoid engaging in extramarital sex. 1 Cor 7.8 To the unmarried and the widows I say that it is well for them to remain unmarried as I am. 9 But...
by Ken Olson
Fri Oct 09, 2020 8:51 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Jesus in the Mishnah, the Tosefta, & the Talmud.
Replies: 31
Views: 25594

Re: Jesus in the Mishnah, the Tosefta, & the Talmud.

maryhelena posted: https://www.academia.edu/12144236/_Allu ... 4Q169_2011_ Greg Doudna "Allusions to the End of the Hasmonean Dynasty in Pesher Nahum (4Q169)" (2011) Antigonus Mattathias was captured in Jerusalem and killed by gentiles in a foreign country. And of particular interest in light of the...
by Ken Olson
Tue Oct 06, 2020 3:01 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Jesus in the Mishnah, the Tosefta, & the Talmud.
Replies: 31
Views: 25594

Re: Jesus in the Mishnah, the Tosefta, & the Talmud.

The only passage I've seen seen someone use to try to place Jesus in the time the NT places him is the one from Babylonian Talmud, Sanhedrin 43a: 43a Ulla retorted, “Do you suppose that he [~ Yeshu the Noṣri] was one for whom a defense could be made? Was he not a mesith, concerning whom Scripture sa...
by Ken Olson
Tue Oct 06, 2020 2:22 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Jesus in the Mishnah, the Tosefta, & the Talmud.
Replies: 31
Views: 25594

Re: Jesus in the Mishnah, the Tosefta, & the Talmud.

Ben,

What clues, if any, would suggest that the compilers of the Talmud or the rabbis quoted in it thought that Jesus (the one accepted as the Messiah by the Christians) lived in the first half of the first century?
by Ken Olson
Mon Oct 05, 2020 4:40 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: “Did Jesus Exist?” On the New Testament Review
Replies: 49
Views: 23561

Re: “Did Jesus Exist?” On the New Testament Review

Ben Smith wrote: Whom does Paul clearly put into that category, in your estimation, besides himself? Peter, in Gal. 1.19, and in Gal. 2.8 if authentic, as I have taken it to be. And, of course, as you allow in the question, Paul insisted on his own status as an apostle. Is Romans 16.7 clear about An...