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by Ken Olson
Sun Mar 24, 2024 12:59 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Gospel priority
Replies: 99
Views: 2059

Re: Mark's dependence on Luke

This thread by Ben C. Smith essentially proved that Luke preceded Mark Presumptions of reader knowledge in Mark. https://earlywritings.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3818 rebibleforum.com/index.php?threads/marks-dependence-on-luke-the-end-of-markan-priority-plus-support-for-the-traditional-endin...
by Ken Olson
Sun Mar 24, 2024 6:12 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Luke’s “Father, Forgive them” refers to the crucified criminals: a possible apostolic reading
Replies: 3
Views: 142

Re: Luke’s “Father, Forgive them” refers to the crucified criminals: a possible apostolic reading

There are legitimate questions about whether Luke 24.34a is original to the text of Luke: Luke 24.32-28 RSV:.32 Two others also, who were criminals, were led away to be put to death with him. 33 And when they came to the place which is called The Skull, there they crucified him, and the criminals, o...
by Ken Olson
Sun Mar 24, 2024 1:07 am
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: γυμνὸς or γυμνοὶ in Clement's Letter to Theodore?
Replies: 65
Views: 1482

Re: γυμνὸς or γυμνοὶ in Clement's Letter to Theodore?

If you want to argue that it is, could you expand on what you wrote earlier? Sure, so I argue that there might be some connection between γυμνὸς γυμνῷ and this section of Second Apocalypse of James : ... For just as you are first having clothed yourself, you are also the first who will strip himsel...
by Ken Olson
Sat Mar 23, 2024 1:59 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Gospel priority
Replies: 99
Views: 2059

Re: Gospel priority

I don't think any of the evangelists that were later gathered into the four gospel canon meant for his work to be read alongside other gospels which had equal authority. I sometimes wonder about John vis-a-vis Mark, whether it was intended to be a John and Mark situation by the author of John. The ...
by Ken Olson
Sat Mar 23, 2024 1:14 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Gospel priority
Replies: 99
Views: 2059

Re: Gospel priority

I assume that Ken is saying that Luke interpreted Mark as an adoptionist text Yes, you're probably right. Sorry, I wrote a reply but it seems to have disappeared into cyberspace. I'm not arguing that Mark intended to imply that Jesus became the Son of God by adoption. I'm arguing that Matthew and L...
by Ken Olson
Sat Mar 23, 2024 12:39 pm
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: γυμνὸς or γυμνοὶ in Clement's Letter to Theodore?
Replies: 65
Views: 1482

Re: γυμνὸς or γυμνοὶ in Clement's Letter to Theodore?

The singular reading would suggest a one-on-one encounter of Jesus and the youth and that is, as far as I know, otherwise unknown in the ancient world and therefore striking. So the suggested one-on-one encounter of Jesus (presumably) and the youth (beloved) in the Second Apocalypse of James doesn'...
by Ken Olson
Sat Mar 23, 2024 12:29 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Ian Mills's "external evidence" that Luke preceded Marcion
Replies: 19
Views: 392

Re: Ian Mills's "external evidence" that Luke preceded Marcion

Mills has made it clear that the separationists adopted canonical Luke (and Mark). The docetists (and Marcion was one) seem to have adopted *Ev (or proto-John). The separationism seems to be a compromise between docetism and ebionism: the spiritual possessor comes from above but the human recipient...
by Ken Olson
Sat Mar 23, 2024 12:15 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Gospel priority
Replies: 99
Views: 2059

Re: Gospel priority

the fact that you can fit the verse about cirumcision in under that interpretation too does not really shift the needle in any significant way. I have introduced the circumcision in the equation to prove that, if a reaction by canonical Luke has to be, then it was not against the adoptionism in Mar...
by Ken Olson
Sat Mar 23, 2024 11:48 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Ian Mills's "external evidence" that Luke preceded Marcion
Replies: 19
Views: 392

Re: Ian Mills's "external evidence" that Luke preceded Marcion

The fact that a lot of anti-demiurgists (=Christians who hated YHWH) accepted passively canonical Luke (where YHWH is apparently adored as supreme god and Jesus is recognized as a circumcised pious Jew) is evidence that they were eager to accept the growing new vulgata about the identity of Jesus (...
by Ken Olson
Sat Mar 23, 2024 11:36 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Gospel priority
Replies: 99
Views: 2059

Re: Gospel priority

I regard the conclusion favorably enough, Giuseppe, but "prove" and "must" are such strong words. Literary dependence arguments often prove to be difficult to find (sound ones anyway). Alternative interpretations must be considered. Finding things that can't be interpreted in mo...