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by Stuart
Mon May 18, 2020 9:26 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Ish(u), Ye(ho)shua, and the nomina sacra.
Replies: 83
Views: 20915

Re: Ish(u), Ye(ho)shua, and the nomina sacra.

I find this site useful for individual verse look ups https://www.studylight.org/desk/interlinear.cgi It doesn't like spaces after a number for books like the Corinthians or Kings: For example for 1 Corinthians 5:5, enter it as 1Cor 5:5. Switching between different Greek and Hebrew base is very usef...
by Stuart
Fri May 15, 2020 10:00 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Pre-Existent Marcionite Interest in Timothy
Replies: 51
Views: 12734

Re: The Pre-Existent Marcionite Interest in Timothy

Both scenarios say that Timothy is separate from Paul, that Timothy followers are different than Paul. Perhaps they overlapped, or where aligned with the Marcionites. Why would we expect Paul to be writing to someone who standing right beside him? Because Paul is a fiction, a legend. You certainly ...
by Stuart
Tue May 12, 2020 4:10 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Pre-Existent Marcionite Interest in Timothy
Replies: 51
Views: 12734

Re: The Pre-Existent Marcionite Interest in Timothy

Clement maps to the attested Marcionite text for 1:16-17. verses 11-12 not attested, but do seem to be early strata. Price and Detering both thought so. 1:16 Οὐ γὰρ ἐπαισχύνομαι τὸ εὐαγγέλιον, δύναμις γὰρ θεοῦ ᾿στιν εἰς σωτηρίαν For ~ not I am ashamed of the Gospel for ~ the power of God is Salvatio...
by Stuart
Tue May 12, 2020 1:39 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Pre-Existent Marcionite Interest in Timothy
Replies: 51
Views: 12734

Re: The Pre-Existent Marcionite Interest in Timothy

Even the Marcionite text (assuming those passages where present) show Timothy as never present with Paul, and seem to go out of their way to say that Timothy agrees with Paul. But we will always have a deadlock here because I don't see Tertullian ever say that the citations he makes are ALL from th...
by Stuart
Tue May 12, 2020 1:26 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Pre-Existent Marcionite Interest in Timothy
Replies: 51
Views: 12734

Re: The Pre-Existent Marcionite Interest in Timothy

Even the Marcionite text (assuming those passages where present) show Timothy as never present with Paul, and seem to go out of their way to say that Timothy agrees with Paul. But we will always have a deadlock here because I don't see Tertullian ever say that the citations he makes are ALL from th...
by Stuart
Tue May 12, 2020 9:42 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Pre-Existent Marcionite Interest in Timothy
Replies: 51
Views: 12734

Re: The Pre-Existent Marcionite Interest in Timothy

It should be mentioned also that Timothy receives a surprisingly subordinate ranking in Acts. One wouldn't expect someone else other than Timothy to be Paul's chosen disciple based on the evidence of the actual collection of epistles in our canon. It is surprising that Timothy is relegated to a bit...
by Stuart
Tue May 12, 2020 9:20 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Pre-Existent Marcionite Interest in Timothy
Replies: 51
Views: 12734

Re: The Pre-Existent Marcionite Interest in Timothy

That's not exactly it. I remember being with Benny the Samaritan in a restaurant in Bellingham WA and he put it this way. The Samaritans don't have halakhah. He stressed that all Samaritan opinions come directly from the text of the Torah. In other words, no stories about Moses going off to Ethiopi...
by Stuart
Mon May 11, 2020 10:25 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Pre-Existent Marcionite Interest in Timothy
Replies: 51
Views: 12734

Re: The Pre-Existent Marcionite Interest in Timothy

Secret Alias wrote:
Mon May 11, 2020 10:17 pm
There were lots of people named Timotheos https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timotheus_of_Miletus
That's pretty decisive. :tombstone: I'll give you that one.
by Stuart
Mon May 11, 2020 9:45 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Pre-Existent Marcionite Interest in Timothy
Replies: 51
Views: 12734

Re: The Pre-Existent Marcionite Interest in Timothy

which clearly not a birth name I thought the same thing initially. Something like Theophilos. But Timotheos is a fairly common name. It's possible in theory. But the way the name is used in De Recta in Deum Fide and orthodox texts (Irenaeus, Clement of Alexandria) argues against that. De Recta in D...
by Stuart
Mon May 11, 2020 3:40 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Pre-Existent Marcionite Interest in Timothy
Replies: 51
Views: 12734

Re: The Pre-Existent Marcionite Interest in Timothy

Mostly this speaks to the openings in 1st and 2nd Thessalonians, Colossians, 2 Corinthians and Philippians may have already contained Timothy when the collector/editor put together the ten letter collection. Who knows, 1 Corinthians may have also originally had Timothy rather than Sothenes. Timothy ...