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- Thu May 18, 2023 9:30 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: "the God and Christ" instead of "the Son of God" in Marcion's text of Gal 2:20
- Replies: 29
- Views: 1894
Re: "the God and Christ" instead of "the Son of God" in Marcion's text of Gal 2:20
Part 5 of DA is not reliably Marcionite by any stretch of the imagination. Clabeaux rejected entirely a Marcionite origin for any of part 5, and I mostly concur. Clabeaux also pretty much demolished the notion of a Western text type, or any specific text type for that matter, being closely related t...
- Wed May 10, 2023 12:07 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Trinitarian Interpolations
- Replies: 44
- Views: 6645
Re: Trinitarian Interpolations
As a result, I favor a later date for Celsus and the early layers of Irenaeus into the first parts of the 3rd century, No. Celsus mentions the Bar Kochba revolt as if it recently happened. So does Justin's pseudo dialogue. That merely gives us a terminus. And what is recent? I would think 5 years, ...
- Tue May 09, 2023 1:07 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Trinitarian Interpolations
- Replies: 44
- Views: 6645
Re: Trinitarian Interpolations
Trinitarianism is a derived compromise theology to harmonize multiple schools (sects) and gospel texts. Since I think the gospels mostly, except the last (small) layers which are the subject here, came together in the basic forms we see in the last quarter of the 2nd century. Trinitarianism and thos...
- Sun May 07, 2023 10:05 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: καινή διαθήκη - a covenant as fresh as a split patch
- Replies: 13
- Views: 872
Re: καινή διαθήκη - a covenant as fresh as a split patch
I kind of lost you when I realized Thomas was written at least 100 years after the Marcionite gospel. How did your realise that, Stuart? Thomas is dependent upon all four gospels. But perhaps you are saying there was a source before that, upon which it was written. Certainly, the inscription and th...
- Sat May 06, 2023 2:59 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: καινή διαθήκη - a covenant as fresh as a split patch
- Replies: 13
- Views: 872
Re: καινή διαθήκη - a covenant as fresh as a split patch
I kind of lost you when I realized Thomas was written at least 100 years after the Marcionite gospel.
- Wed May 03, 2023 10:47 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Christians think Jesus existed
- Replies: 31
- Views: 1371
Re: Christians think Jesus existed
It all depends upon what sort of Christianity you were raised in. For me it's largely irrelevant. My father, the late right reverend, taught two basic principles: the NT is entirely allegorical (including Acts he emphasized), and heaven is life with God (not a fairyland after death; death is also to...
- Tue May 02, 2023 10:35 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: 2nd Ed. of the English Trans of Matthias Klinghardt's Reconstruction of the Marcionite Gospel
- Replies: 11
- Views: 521
Re: 2nd Ed. of the English Trans of Matthias Klinghardt's Reconstruction of the Marcionite Gospel
Just random grocery stores in Munich (Edeka or Rewe?) where I bought a couple bottles to bring home for my brother about 4 years ago. It was definitely well under 2 Euros, just throw away money. My wife took pictures of stores because some wine and beer cost about the same as water. Germany is defin...
- Tue May 02, 2023 8:20 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: 2nd Ed. of the English Trans of Matthias Klinghardt's Reconstruction of the Marcionite Gospel
- Replies: 11
- Views: 521
Re: 2nd Ed. of the English Trans of Matthias Klinghardt's Reconstruction of the Marcionite Gospel
I received it today (I didn't open it until now but I've had it all morning). It's amazing. It's not what I expected. It's not the argument Klinghardt uses to make the Marcionite gospel but the order of the Marcionite gospel as he sees it. Very cool. Kind of like a gospel for Marcionites or Marcion...
- Sat Apr 29, 2023 2:11 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Clement and Nakedness Riddle Solved
- Replies: 14
- Views: 821
Re: Clement and Nakedness Riddle Solved
1. When did bishoprics stop being hereditary in early Christianity in your understanding? LOL, sometime after the Pauline letters were revised in the late 2nd century. All those "salute so-and-so" that runs through chapter 16 of Romans, Chapter 4 of Colossians are a mix of legendary figur...
- Fri Apr 28, 2023 8:46 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Clement and Nakedness Riddle Solved
- Replies: 14
- Views: 821
Re: Clement and Nakedness Riddle Solved
But Basilides ... Basilides late 2nd, possibly 3rd century. He is neither a Possessionist nor a Cainite. I think you are associating him with later theological developments. BTW, Basilides was a real teacher, but I am not convinced either Marcion (legend of Mark as follower of Paul, which Acts trie...