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by Stuart
Tue Jul 18, 2023 12:37 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Does the writing of a gospel count as an anti-Roman action?
Replies: 27
Views: 1597

Re: Does the writing of a gospel count as an anti-Roman action?

I'm not clear what these words mean: "... first thrown out is that the concept of the Law requiring sin-free officials to be carried out,...." Perhaps rephrase? Everyone knows PRC officials are corrupt. The CCP does not want that to be an impediment in any way to their executing the law a...
by Stuart
Tue Jul 18, 2023 11:41 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Does the writing of a gospel count as an anti-Roman action?
Replies: 27
Views: 1597

Re: Does the writing of a gospel count as an anti-Roman action?

The answer to the OP is no. The concept is modern, built on two myths. First is that Christianity was an expression of Jewish Nationalism, and the Second that focused organized State persecution of Christians was a thing before the Gospels were written. Neither is true, not even a little. However, t...
by Stuart
Sun Jul 16, 2023 10:16 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Review of Carrier's OHJ, Part 14 of 18: 5.1 The Gospel in Hebrews[
Replies: 4
Views: 383

Re: Review of Carrier's OHJ, Part 14 of 18: 5.1 The Gospel in Hebrews[


CONTRIBUTION TO ODDS: (Note: odds include the use of 'gospel' in canonical letters attributed to Paul)
- Carrier's Best Odds for historicity: 3/5
- Carrier's Worst Odds for historicity: 2/5

I love that he's an odds maker.
by Stuart
Wed Jul 12, 2023 4:45 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: On the Syriac Diatessaron Beginning With "The Gospel of Jesus Christ"
Replies: 11
Views: 827

Re: On the Syriac Diatessaron Beginning With "The Gospel of Jesus Christ"

This is one time where "where there's smoke there's fire" is certainly true. There was a gospel written by Paul which resembled Mark. This is a strange claim that seems to come from thin air. I'm rather more of a snowball theorist when it comes to composition. The episodic nature of the s...
by Stuart
Wed Jul 12, 2023 1:06 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: On the Syriac Diatessaron Beginning With "The Gospel of Jesus Christ"
Replies: 11
Views: 827

Re: On the Syriac Diatessaron Beginning With "The Gospel of Jesus Christ"

Really. So "the gospel of Jesus" something or other isn't likely the original name of the gospel. That's out of hand wrong. Well, it's a prescript. The earliest manuscripts are not actually titled like you find in your bible today, but had some label in the upper margin, or sometimes afte...
by Stuart
Mon Jul 10, 2023 7:23 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: On the Syriac Diatessaron Beginning With "The Gospel of Jesus Christ"
Replies: 11
Views: 827

Re: On the Syriac Diatessaron Beginning With "The Gospel of Jesus Christ"

Good point Mac, and probably the correct one. The prescript could well be from the translator.
by Stuart
Mon Jul 10, 2023 5:01 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: On the Syriac Diatessaron Beginning With "The Gospel of Jesus Christ"
Replies: 11
Views: 827

Re: On the Syriac Diatessaron Beginning With "The Gospel of Jesus Christ"

My suspicion is the first gospel was titled, or rather marked in the upper margin, as the "Gospel of (Jesus) Christ." Mark versified that title from the document he used by adding one word "the beginning" (Ἀρχὴ). The son of God is not in all manuscripts, seems like a pious scribe...
by Stuart
Fri Jun 16, 2023 12:12 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Marcus/Marcion Calliston/Callistion
Replies: 31
Views: 1170

Re: Marcus/Marcion Calliston/Callistion

Well, nothing much to me. I have long been of the opinion that Marcion and probably some of the other Marcus personalities and cults are really just variants of the Mark, traveling companion of Paul legend. IMO the breakup of Paul and Mark after the Pamphylia incident (Acts 15:2, 37-41) was invented...
by Stuart
Thu Jun 15, 2023 1:42 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Short list of arguments that are going to persuade Giuseppe that Marcion precedes Mark
Replies: 37
Views: 2342

Re: Short list of arguments that are going to persuade Giuseppe that Marcion precedes Mark

This passage from Dialogue Adamantius should answer your question: Part 1, section 8: Megethius (Marcionite champion): I will prove that the Gospel is one. Adamantius (Catholic champion): Who is the writer of this Gospel which you said is one? Interesting. It sounds like there can only be one gospe...
by Stuart
Thu Jun 15, 2023 12:41 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Short list of arguments that are going to persuade Giuseppe that Marcion precedes Mark
Replies: 37
Views: 2342

Re: Short list of arguments that are going to persuade Giuseppe that Marcion precedes Mark

I meant you can give the Greek text, and how you translated it to English. Mahar btw is not the translator here, he used some early 20th century translation he found (I forgot which one, it's been some years since I last corresponded with him). Pretty seems to be mostly a very good translation from...