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by Stuart
Thu Jul 02, 2020 4:01 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Proof that Irenaeus Meant Marcion had All Four Gospels
Replies: 17
Views: 1377

Re: Proof that Irenaeus Meant Marcion had All Four Gospels

John 7:5, in my view, was almost certainly not part of the first version of John that circulated (probably written by an opponent of the Petrine and Johannine merger). It's quote is thus anachronistic, ironically. John 7:1 is used against the Alogoi so it must have been part of the gospel of John b...
by Stuart
Thu Jul 02, 2020 3:05 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Proof that Irenaeus Meant Marcion had All Four Gospels
Replies: 17
Views: 1377

Re: Proof that Irenaeus Meant Marcion had All Four Gospels

Origen is 3rd century too. I am not saying the four gospels were not extant in the 2nd century, and certainly they were by around the start of the 3rd quarter of that century. Indeed there were probably a variety of versions of the four gospels extant at that time, and your local church might have h...
by Stuart
Thu Jul 02, 2020 11:09 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Proof that Irenaeus Meant Marcion had All Four Gospels
Replies: 17
Views: 1377

Re: Proof that Irenaeus Meant Marcion had All Four Gospels

The material in the compendium of authors (yes plural) under the name Irenaeus (although Tertullian is cited by Stephen here, which he likes to identify as Irenaeus, just as he likes to relabel other works to confuse the reader) is probably much later than conventionally dated. The material appears ...
by Stuart
Thu Jul 02, 2020 9:31 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Proof that Irenaeus Meant Marcion had All Four Gospels
Replies: 17
Views: 1377

Re: Proof that Irenaeus Meant Marcion had All Four Gospels

Again you play games with names, as if it's established by anyone other than yourself. :facepalm: What Tertullian seems to be relaying is an association of John's legend with Apelles. This is something I have concluded without this tidbit, and place that association in Asia Minor. What is curious is...
by Stuart
Wed Jul 01, 2020 8:23 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Competing Q Reconstructions
Replies: 5
Views: 693

Re: Competing Q Reconstructions

DCHindley, You should create a folder on google drive and upload them there. Then make the file read only for anyone with the link (if not PDF, say Word or XLS) Then all you have to do is provide a link. People can see it without downloading. It's much more convenient, especially when you are using ...
by Stuart
Wed Jun 24, 2020 5:22 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Luukeey! Ya Got Sum Splainin Ta Do. Did Original "Luke" Have No Resurrection Sightings?
Replies: 23
Views: 5754

Re: Luukeey! Ya Got Sum Splainin Ta Do. Did Original "Luke" Have No Resurrection Sightings?

Joe, I don't think we can be confident, given you think the latter material after Luke 24:10, is mostly Catholic, that there was not tampering with the material before that verse. The entire death and resurrection was central to the sectarian competition, each wanting to shape their own. Each succes...
by Stuart
Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:47 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Luukeey! Ya Got Sum Splainin Ta Do. Did Original "Luke" Have No Resurrection Sightings?
Replies: 23
Views: 5754

Re: Luukeey! Ya Got Sum Splainin Ta Do. Did Original "Luke" Have No Resurrection Sightings?

A couple things as I look at the text here. Eusubius is often not the voice in the commentary. It could well be verbatim lifting of another source. So if it is an accurate statement, which it may well not be, then it must be from a very early, as in late 2nd century, church father who knew earlier f...
by Stuart
Wed Jun 17, 2020 9:46 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Luukeey! Ya Got Sum Splainin Ta Do. Did Original "Luke" Have No Resurrection Sightings?
Replies: 23
Views: 5754

Re: Luukeey! Ya Got Sum Splainin Ta Do. Did Original "Luke" Have No Resurrection Sightings?

It's possible the Marcionite form was similar to Mark. The passages quoted in Tertullian may have been to support a physical resurrection ("a Spirit has no bones"), and thus Catholic not Marcionite. They may have snuck in sometime before Luke was actually formed, in later Marcionite based texts whic...
by Stuart
Sun Jun 14, 2020 1:21 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Two Squalls: Mark and John
Replies: 16
Views: 3755

Re: Two Squalls: Mark and John

Charles, I really like the quality of your posts. But I am going to disagree that Peter was the original story of walking on water. I know it is fashionable to follow Robert Price and his Brand X theory of baptism, that is of many saviors or many Christs.[1] But the textual evidence runs against thi...
by Stuart
Sat Jun 13, 2020 2:45 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Two Squalls: Mark and John
Replies: 16
Views: 3755

Re: Two Squalls: Mark and John

5. ... It is easy to state that John was (much) later than Mark and written in a far different locale but there is another possibility. Matthew didn't have to add the Peter Section with Jesus walking on water - The Symbolism of the boat was already there - unless the Original told the Tale in an im...