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by Kunigunde Kreuzerin
Sat Feb 01, 2020 3:15 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why the birth story was not added to Mark
Replies: 17
Views: 10469

Re: Why the birth story was not added to Mark

Hi Giuseppe, I want to make sure whether I have understand the thesis. So check it out please. It cannot be assumed that the Barabbas incident is a historical account. One of our main reasons is the improbability that both „our“ Jesus, who is the son of God the father, and Jesus Barrabbas, who is th...
by Kunigunde Kreuzerin
Fri Jan 31, 2020 11:50 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why the birth story was not added to Mark
Replies: 17
Views: 10469

Re: Why the birth story was not added to Mark

The thesis: something as proto-John preceded all our Gospels. ... The proof: The only Gospel where Jesus proclaims himself totally identical to his Father is the Gospel of John: cfr John 10:30, 14:11, 14:9,23. The idea is totally foreign and alien to Judaism. It looks a bit circular. 😉 What is the ...
by Kunigunde Kreuzerin
Fri Jan 31, 2020 8:35 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why the birth story was not added to Mark
Replies: 17
Views: 10469

Re: Why the birth story was not added to Mark

Can you persuade me, by giving all your possible alternative interpretations of Barabbas (ignoring the boring Leviticus 16), that I am wrong about Barabbas ? Hi Giuseppe, probably not ;) But I take a look at it over the weekend. Could you please explain the thesis again? Have a nice weekend, Kunigu...
by Kunigunde Kreuzerin
Fri Jan 31, 2020 6:55 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why the birth story was not added to Mark
Replies: 17
Views: 10469

Re: Why the birth story was not added to Mark

I am sure that prof Vinzent will give great insights about new readings of Mark as reaction against Marcion, on a level of subtle irony of the kind alluded partially by Irenaeus (see above). :D I, on the other hand, seriously fear :( that Prof Vinzent will shatter his last scientific reputation :to...
by Kunigunde Kreuzerin
Fri Jan 31, 2020 6:24 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Evolution and the Gospels
Replies: 93
Views: 58894

Re: Evolution and the Gospels

What I call a logical error is the stance that this position ought to be the default . Many on this forum treat it as such, either not realizing that they are doing it or not recognizing that it is a logical error to do so. That's just a misunderstanding on your part. I have no problem with your po...
by Kunigunde Kreuzerin
Thu Jan 30, 2020 10:30 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Evolution and the Gospels
Replies: 93
Views: 58894

Re: Evolution and the Gospels

Kk So the fourfold gospel's preservation has nothing to do with Irenaeus? Why is it so hard to understand? My pov has nothing to do with Irenaeus and I'm not interested in the question what has the fourfold gospel's preservation to do with Irenaeus. This does not mean that I deny the relevance of t...
by Kunigunde Kreuzerin
Thu Jan 30, 2020 2:20 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Evolution and the Gospels
Replies: 93
Views: 58894

Re: Evolution and the Gospels

As Ben knows, I disagree with him that GMark shows signs of editing. I agree that the text has some problems which need to be explained. I want to highlight this statement in view of a thought experiment I have offered before. Kunigunde, if Mark had been lost to history, and we had only Matthew and...
by Kunigunde Kreuzerin
Thu Jan 30, 2020 12:57 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Evolution and the Gospels
Replies: 93
Views: 58894

Re: Evolution and the Gospels

The tradition that GMark is associated with the apostle Peter is apparently older than Irenaeus. GMark was protected as the memories of Peter and not even Irenaeus could have wiped out GMark. Do you think the earliest association was with Peter, or with a Kephas, or with a SIMON peter? Remembering ...
by Kunigunde Kreuzerin
Thu Jan 30, 2020 7:44 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Evolution and the Gospels
Replies: 93
Views: 58894

Re: Evolution and the Gospels

I am not understanding KKs point. What’s the problem? I think that Ulan explained it well. Meh, let's not get into this kind of thinking. I'm also German, and even worse, I'm a scientist (natural sciences). Which means that dismissing anything I don't have any hard evidence for comes very natural t...
by Kunigunde Kreuzerin
Wed Jan 29, 2020 2:29 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Evolution and the Gospels
Replies: 93
Views: 58894

Re: Evolution and the Gospels

Mmh, maybe it's just a question of our pov's. My impression from GMatthew is – under the assumption of Marcan priority - that even „Matthew“ (author) did not want to write a new version, which replaces the old GMark, but an separate gospel, which in his opinion was more appropriate as a Christian g...