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by MrMacSon
Sat Nov 17, 2018 2:45 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: BeDuhn's & Klinghardt's solutions to the Synoptic Problem
Replies: 16
Views: 147

Re: BeDuhn's & Klinghardt's solutions to the Synoptic Problem

If the first is true, how reliable might one consider the second? Because the reconstructed Mcn aligns with much of Luke. They can recover and represent 'the textual variants for the Gospel used by the Marcionites as found in the manuscript tradition as well as in the scriptures of early christian ...
by MrMacSon
Sat Nov 17, 2018 12:45 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: BeDuhn's & Klinghardt's solutions to the Synoptic Problem
Replies: 16
Views: 147

Re: BeDuhn's & Klinghardt's solutions to the Synoptic Problem

Count me as suspicious of any claim of 'gospels without a known provenance.' None of the canonical ones do, anyway. The issue for me at least is that you have the following claim made by Tertullian in Against Marcion : Marcion had access to all four canonical gospels but he chose Luke to 'abuse.' L...
by MrMacSon
Sat Nov 17, 2018 12:12 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: BeDuhn's & Klinghardt's solutions to the Synoptic Problem
Replies: 16
Views: 147

Re: BeDuhn's & Klinghardt's solutions to the Synoptic Problem

What MrMacSon said: Jason Beduhn and Matthias Klinghardt both presently propose that 'Marcion's Gospel' preceded both Marcion and Luke and was, in fact, the earliest Gospel written. However, here is what BeDuhn says in the article you quoted: The agreement between Klinghardt and myself that Marcion...
by MrMacSon
Sat Nov 17, 2018 11:54 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: BeDuhn's & Klinghardt's solutions to the Synoptic Problem
Replies: 16
Views: 147

Re: BeDuhn's & Klinghardt's solutions to the Synoptic Problem

Thanks for that. There is so much that I agree with in that snippet. First, let me note that, as I implied in my original statement above, BeDuhn does not, in fact, hold two contrary opinions at once. His approach is cogent and logical. While Klinghardt definitely pegs Marcion's as the first gospel...
by MrMacSon
Sat Nov 17, 2018 3:49 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: 2018 Klinghardt books (& some commentary on Markus Vinzent's ideas)
Replies: 11
Views: 363

Re: 2018 Klinghardt books

The Oldest Gospel: Klinghardt Edition , Quiet Waters Publications, July 2018 by Matthias Klinghardt (Contributor),‎ Stephen Trobisch (Translator),‎ David Trobisch (Preface) This gospel was first published by Marcion of Sinope as part of a collection that also contained ten letters of Paul. Its titl...
by MrMacSon
Sat Nov 17, 2018 1:51 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: BeDuhn's & Klinghardt's solutions to the Synoptic Problem
Replies: 16
Views: 147

Re: BeDuhn's & Klinghardt's solutions to the Synoptic Problem

. Klinghardt, M., April 2017 issue of New Testament Studies , Vol 63, Issue 2; pp. 320-22 (of pp. 318-23 in toto ) -- [slightly modified, in layout only] n.b. the url at the bottom! . ... Luke edited the Marcionite Gospel. Since there is no need to postulate any intermediary stage, this relation mu...
by MrMacSon
Sat Nov 17, 2018 1:50 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: BeDuhn's & Klinghardt's solutions to the Synoptic Problem
Replies: 16
Views: 147

BeDuhn's & Klinghardt's solutions to the Synoptic Problem

Jason Beduhn and Matthias Klinghardt both presently propose that 'Marcion's Gospel' preceded both Marcion and Luke and was, in fact, the earliest Gospel written . .... BeDuhn also thinks that the Two-Source hypothesis may be correct, once Luke is replaced in the equation with the Marcionite Gospel ...
by MrMacSon
Fri Nov 16, 2018 12:31 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Thomas L Brodie on Ehrman's 'Did Jesus Exist?'and oral traditions
Replies: 0
Views: 40

Thomas L Brodie on Ehrman's 'Did Jesus Exist?'and oral traditions

Thomas L Brodie’s 2012 'Beyond the Quest for the Historical Jesus' has an Epilogue about Bart Ehrman’s 2012 'Did Jesus Exist?' in which Brodie says the key role that Ehrman attributes to oral tradition in the development of the narratives about Jesus does not correspond to any known model of oral tr...
by MrMacSon
Fri Nov 16, 2018 12:23 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why Jesus had to have brothers and a lot of sisters
Replies: 20
Views: 300

Re: Why Jesus had to have brothers and a lot of sisters

If Jesus [came] from a perfect pious Jewish family ...then confuted [would be] the original Gnostic apostles who [had] preached that Jesus is the son of an alien god ( not the god of the Jews) . The entire process behind the Gospels is [according to Giuseppe] called "re-judaization" of Jesus: a new...
by MrMacSon
Thu Nov 15, 2018 3:03 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why Jesus had to have brothers and a lot of sisters
Replies: 20
Views: 300

Re: Why Jesus had to have brothers and a lot of sisters

perseusomega9 wrote:
Thu Nov 15, 2018 2:48 pm
... Polycarp
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